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Old 12-09-2010, 09:39 PM
 
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You didn't see the M4 A-3 did ya? I didn't think so. That's 5!
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:36 PM
 
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It sure sucks to be wrong! Damn, I hate it when that happens! LOL

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Old 12-10-2010, 05:19 PM
 
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I'll add something useful to this thread instead of me just being a horses arse! LOL My apologies to the OP and everyone else. I mean it! What is a Benelli M-3? It's a very-very rare 12 Gauge, law enforcement, select fire shotgun. See the selector switch on the end of the forearm (slide)? In normal operation it fires in semi-automatic mode. You flip the selector switch with your thumb and it goes pump action. I've only seen three for sale in the last 5 years. My buddy and I both wanted one for many years and finally were able to get two of them. This configuration with the pistol grip is the most desirable and rare. Yes, you can own a semi and a pump shotgun all in one platform. Everyone at the station thinks this SOB F"n Rocks! LOL
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:36 PM
 
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Why? Why does this exist? I should think either or works fine. The pump can leave a empty rnd in the chamber if you want or you can just jack in a new one.

In semi auto mode you get a new one whether or not you want it, but that's what a safety is for.
I don't get it. But the gun looks good.

For bird hunting that pistol grip could get lost in my hands though, but then this is no bird gun.

You get great pics, what camera, what lighting?
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:42 PM
 
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Why? Why does this exist? I should think either or works fine. The pump can leave a empty rnd in the chamber if you want or you can just jack in a new one.

In semi auto mode you get a new one whether or not you want it, but that's what a safety is for.
I don't get it. But the gun looks good.

For bird hunting that pistol grip could get lost in my hands though, but then this is no bird gun.

You get great pics, what camera, what lighting?
The shotgun is primarily a semi-auto. The pump is for weak bean bag rounds (less than lethal), door breaching rounds or any other ammo that won't function in semi-auto. Old, bad crimp, jam, not enough powder etc. etc. This one does it all. It also has the LE ghost-ring sights on it. Very-very fast target accusation and speed. I have a old 5 mega pix Kodac. It works ok. The lighting is outside in the back 40 haha. I have to confuse all the bad people who are seeing this! The layout of my fortress that is! LOL LOL
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Old 12-10-2010, 05:52 PM
 
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I understand now.. I don't shoot bean bags, and odd LEO rounds.

I got a real old Kodak digital camera somewhere in this mess. It looks like a black box more than it looks like a camera.
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Old 12-10-2010, 06:06 PM
 
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I understand now.. I don't shoot bean bags, and odd LEO rounds.

I got a real old Kodak digital camera somewhere in this mess. It looks like a black box more than it looks like a camera.
The best use is if you encounter a jam or misfire. One quick flick of the thumb and you are Rock'n' again. I also have a Mossberg 590 Police/Military high capacity 12 Gauge pump, 8+1 with bayonet lug, ghost-ring sights and heat shield. My trap shotgun is a Remington 1187 Premier 12 Gauge semi-auto. I like the Benelli the best.
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Old 12-10-2010, 09:46 PM
 
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I've been browsing this forum, some very interesting and helpful discussion!

I live on a quiet, semi-rural dead-end street on a very large fenced lot. It is well-lit by the township, but quiet and I have no immediate neighbors. I am a single, small, middle-aged woman with three dogs; two large scary-looking ones, and one smaller noisy one. They are house dogs, they have the run of the property but are inside with me at night, or when I'm not home.

I do all the common-sense things like keep the house locked and secure, have porch light and back yard motion-detector floodlight, I know my neighbors (we watch out for each other.) One neighbor has a house key and will come over and let my dogs out if I have to work late.

However I live just north of one of the most high-crime cities in the country and recently there have been problems; crime has skyrocketed. One neighbor had his house broken into one night recently and stuff stolen. I figured, won't happen to me - the cowardly little thugs aren't going to even try, with the dogs inside. However, last week an elderly man who lives down the end of my road was sitting watching TV and was shot THROUGH HIS FRONT WINDOW. One bullet went through his cheek and took off part of his nose, another hit him in the arm. He bailed out the back door and ran to the neighbors who called the cops, they never found the guys, he didn't even see them.

So, suddenly, I am feeling vulnerable. If the little ****es are willing to fire multiple times through a window, the dogs aren't much of a deterrent. Plus I don't want them harmed. I went to a party and came home very late one night last week and felt really nervous...all I had was a can of (don't laugh) foaming wasp spray to defend myself with between my driveway and my front door. I refuse to ask friends of neighbors for an escort after dark, and refuse to feel vulnerable in my own home.

I have never fired a handgun. I have fired M16s in the Navy Reserves, ages ago, and an ex-boyfriend was a serious collector so I got to play with automatic weapons a lot on the range. But other than that I am clueless. I am thinking a 9 mm handgun? I don't want something wimpy...if God forbid I ever really need to point a firearm at a human being, I want it to be reliable and do damage. I also want to be able to carry it easily.

What's my best option? I'm going to call a couple of local ranges and find out about training and to see if they rent guns...I live in a restrictive state and have to jump through hoops to be legally armed (which is my intent.)

Recommendations? Browsing gun forums and online gun stores is a bit overwhelming.
For a female, I would get a 9mm. I like Springfield XD and Glock, personally. I would recommend you go to a local gun shop and hold several different guns, and see which one feels better in your hand. If you get a gun that isn't comfortable to hold, you aren't going to practice with it as much.

If you are afraid of them potentially coming into your home, I would get a Mossberg 500 shotgun, 20 guage. It will stop them better than a handgun, and it will give you more control than a handgun.
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Old 12-11-2010, 09:39 AM
 
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I have never owned a 9mm, because they just don't have the power. Back in the 70's a cuban defector landed at Homestead Air Force Base, who have been shot twice in Cuba stealling the plane he flew. If a man can get shot twice and then still fly a fighter jet, a Russian Mig and land it, it just seems to me there wasn't enough power in the rounds to stop him.

The whole point is to stop a crime from happening, namely that crime is causing the defender to become room temp.

In hand guns there are better choices, like the .327 newer Ruger rnd, the old traditonal .357 rnd, even the .38 special has more power.

Then there is the 100 year old .45 ACP, a women can shoot if she will only try.

Then a hand gun is just the tool to use to get to the long gun, which in SD should be a shot gun, for home defence.

In the right hands a .22 will work, but one must consider what the right hands are. A .22 can take out a bull moose in the right hands, so it should be able to stop a criminal, but in the right hands.

Probably a revolver is a good choice for someone unfamilar, and can at times be the best.

With a revolver if there is a bad round that fails to fire pulling the trigger again, should in theory send the next round down range.
Another thing is the revolver won't eject any empty cases, which can be handy, sort of keeping your bee's wax yours.

Another is you can buy a .22 like the higher power weapon for practice.

With out practice a hand gun is almost always useless. The high costs of more powerful ammo is prohibitive unless you reload.

With a .22 to practice, you can buy 500 rounds for the cost of 20 in a higher power weapon.

The absolute worst weapons shoot .25acp rounds. That round is junk and I have no idea how it has lasted so long in time. It's worse than the minimal .22.

Avoid guns made by Jennings, Raven, Sterling, as these are pot metal junk.
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Old 12-11-2010, 09:53 AM
 
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I have never owned a 9mm, because they just don't have the power. Back in the 70's a cuban defector landed at Homestead Air Force Base, who have been shot twice in Cuba stealling the plane he flew. If a man can get shot twice and then still fly a fighter jet, a Russian Mig and land it, it just seems to me there wasn't enough power in the rounds to stop him.

The whole point is to stop a crime from happening, namely that crime is causing the defender to become room temp.

In hand guns there are better choices, like the .327 newer Ruger rnd, the old traditonal .357 rnd, even the .38 special has more power.

Then there is the 100 year old .45 ACP, a women can shoot if she will only try.

Then a hand gun is just the tool to use to get to the long gun, which in SD should be a shot gun, for home defence.

In the right hands a .22 will work, but one must consider what the right hands are. A .22 can take out a bull moose in the right hands, so it should be able to stop a criminal, but in the right hands.

Probably a revolver is a good choice for someone unfamilar, and can at times be the best.

With a revolver if there is a bad round that fails to fire pulling the trigger again, should in theory send the next round down range.
Another thing is the revolver won't eject any empty cases, which can be handy, sort of keeping your bee's wax yours.

Another is you can buy a .22 like the higher power weapon for practice.

With out practice a hand gun is almost always useless. The high costs of more powerful ammo is prohibitive unless you reload.

With a .22 to practice, you can buy 500 rounds for the cost of 20 in a higher power weapon.

The absolute worst weapons shoot .25acp rounds. That round is junk and I have no idea how it has lasted so long in time. It's worse than the minimal .22.

Avoid guns made by Jennings, Raven, Sterling, as these are pot metal junk.
The old 9mm that was 147 grain and other "ball FMJ RN" is what you speak of Mac. The new 115 grain +P and 124 grain +P JHP makes that old problem ancient history. Don't use 147 grain anything for self defense or 115 or 124 grain round nose. You need 115gr or 124gr JHP to do what you want it to do.

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