Do Most of You Feel Disaster Is Imminent in America? (winter, pressure)

[Mac_Muz]

[quote=mysticaltyger;17868110]Yes! The people/countries who think disaster can't happen to them are the ones it happens to.


[quote=ChrisC;17428915]Even though it HAS happened to countless other governments. When you correctly solve 2x + 5 = 31 , you're going to get the same result every time. We've seen Argentina, Greece, Iceland, Spain, and a bunch of other countries solve the equation and get 13. But being the hard-headed, arrogant Americans we are, we're just positive we'll come up with something besides a 13.[quote=ChrisC;17428915]

Yep. We think that since sich a crisis has never happend here, it never will.

[quote=ChrisC;17428915]And to make matters worse, this is the first time we will be facing the crisis as a collectivist/socialist country. All of the other crises referred to earlier were during times when people were far more self-sufficient on the whole. Nowadays self-sufficiency is laughed at... until the government shuts down. Ask a Greek. Or ask one of the Argentines who set themselves on fire when the government/system couldn't provide for them any longer.[

Originally Posted by ChrisC

I was thinking something similar. In all the previous crises outlined, there was not a huge number of retirees that were promised medical care and Social Security. Even during the Great Depression and the costs created by World War 2, there were no big costs going forward, so we could afford to pay down the debt from the war.

But now, we're facing retirement & medical costs equivalent to the cost of a huge war, and our national debt is already at very high levels.

There will need to be spending cuts across the board, including in Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid/Obamacare, Defense, etc. And there will also need to be tax increases. There is no other way around it. Unfortunately, Americans don't want to understand this, which is why we could very easily descend into chaos.

This is what happens with Govt out of controll spending, and artificial value given to worthless notes of debt.

It is as if I said I make tooth picks and each one is worth 100 bucks, and someone was fool enough to give me 100 for a tooth pick. The Govt did this very thing basicly, except in 1935 the Govt made dollars illegal.

The so called dollar of today last time I checked was worth 1 cent in silver.

You can search AMPEX to see that easy enough.

That could mean if a loaf of bread was priced at 87 cents which you are not going to find, that it would be possible to need 87 dollar notes.

If the figuring I did was correct, that means right now 1 gallon of gasoline in silver is worth about 12.5 cents counting taxes.

All I did was break down the cost of a single silver dollar in today worthless notes. Basicly that is a ratio of 25:1

[jetgraphics]

Even during the Great Depression and the costs created by World War 2, there were no big costs going forward, so we could afford to pay down the debt from the war.

Unfortunately, that opinion is not supported by the facts in evidence. See the State of Emergency, declared in 1933.

The U.S. government declared bankruptcy when it ceased redeeming its IOUs (dollar bills) with dollars, as required by Title 12 USC sec. 411.

How it continued to operate, was thanks to you and the millions who unwittingly signed up with FICA/ SocSec. Each enumerated "contributor" is collateral on those worthless notes.

To paraphrase "Soylent Green" : Dollar bills is People.

As the value of that human collateral drops (partly due to the drop in value of their deflated property), so does the "Dollar bill".

To compound matters, the only legal way to increase the sum of "dollar bills" is to go deeper into debt - which requires more interest - which requires more "dollar bills" to be emitted - which means we're [expletive deleted].

Of course, anyone with common sense would realize that such a system is not rational. But no elected official nor officer can challenge the validity of the bogus debt because of section 4, 14th amendment, USCON.

Look at the newly elected "Tea Party" candidates, and note how tame they suddenly are. They were given "the word", in their initial briefing, to "shut up and obey".

They will only give lip service to their previous promises - for if they "rock the boat", they violate their oaths to the USCON.

In short, we're [censored vulgar and excremental outburst].

The days of the United Socialist States of America grow short. It is only a matter of time before the People's Democratic Socialist Republic of America is declared, sans that pesky Constitution (which they've sidestepped since 1933).

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[jmellc]

Originally Posted by Mac_Muz

i was never party to the relaxed office cubical world. I worked as a foreign car teck mostly from 8 am to well after 6 pm sometimes well past mid night.

In a 8 hour day I personally did 19 full blown tune ups changing oil and filter, topping off all fluids. The tune ups all consited of compression tests wet and dry, and were formally complete.

Plus at least 1 clutch or 4 wheel brake job.

AND deal with all parts incoming, and all customers in bound or out.

I became good and I became fast. I could do a clutch on a 144 volvo in under 45 minutes and the book gave 6 hours.

I couldn't earn ehough to I added to the basic construction any time cars were not first, Still I couldn't earn enough to I took on a 3rd job driving teams of Belgian Draft Horses to haul tourists till 1am.

I burned out and went into being Mista' Fix it for a B&B and got more hours for it, and as always nothing to show.

I finally got hurt, trying to be a loyal little dubbie, and lost my shirt and everything else in a divorce, where any earnings were drained to nill. Then I discovered what pre-existing condition means.

It means no matter what no one will hire you. I went and got lost for 3 years, regained my strength as best i could and have been a Mister Fix it for myself ever since, but with out a decent start. I am still stuck there and wondering if returning to the ways of man was worth it.

All I got to show for this is a big fat motorcycle and a few guns. I know to eat I will have to work till I can't eat anymore, and in order to do that I gotta grow what I eat.

It has tuffend me a bit..

I do feel safer knowing most of the crooks are running the congress.

By the time I worked in my last corporate job, your position wasn't safe if you had 15 minutes to clean your desk in the afternoon.

I'm not necessarily a fan of corporations, but at least they mostly do things with their own money, at least before TARP. They do some stupid things, as many of the upper managers have had the same loony college professors as the politicians. However, the corporate officer also has someone to answer to sometimes about the money. Keeps him a little in touch, more than the politico.

[calvinbama]

I think a fiscal and possibly a monetary crisis is definitely on the horizon, but I don't think they are imminent. The us is still the most powerful and wealthiest country in the world. Without some tough choices this won't be the case forever

[Mac_Muz]

Originally Posted by jmellc

By the time I worked in my last corporate job, your position wasn't safe if you had 15 minutes to clean your desk in the afternoon.

I'm not necessarily a fan of corporations, but at least they mostly do things with their own money, at least before TARP. They do some stupid things, as many of the upper managers have had the same loony college professors as the politicians. However, the corporate officer also has someone to answer to sometimes about the money. Keeps him a little in touch, more than the politico.

My wife worked in that world. That comany sold out and she was in the 2nd wave of layoff's. She typed her own notice even, and wasn't given 10 minutes to get out ......
The first lay offs number about 160 people the 2nd about 125.

The way they let her go after 7 years made me feel pretty mean. I still feel that way after a near decade and there are some people that don't want to meet up with my in a dim alley to this day.

I came with in an inch of "F" disking her system which was tied to all the rest ... I fended off managmant so she could get her plants. I told the management I still owned private info on marketing with in their system, and if they used it I would sue.

The ways labor get used these days is sick.

[Mac_Muz]

Originally Posted by calvinbama

I think a fiscal and possibly a monetary crisis is definitely on the horizon, but I don't think they are imminent. The us is still the most powerful and wealthiest country in the world. Without some tough choices this won't be the case forever

That isn't what the Govt is saying today on CNN and Fox. They are calling for a near to total Govt shut down today, unless they can get more loans in Trillions. the last day they can get that done is March 31st.

No links I see it on CNN and Fox.

That was before Obma came on to ponder out loud on the situation. I thought he was going to deliver a speech, but he didn't he stuttered and pondered out loud as usual.

I see he bears a bruise over his left eye, at the hair line. I think his wife must have smacked him to wake him up...

[jetgraphics]

Originally Posted by Mac_Muz

The ways labor get used these days is sick.

'Tis the nature of artificial persons with limited liability to engage in usury.
There is no one you can hold criminally liable.
It's the reason for the volumes of rules and regulations imposed on artificial persons (corporations, etc).
As a rule, corporations are guilty until proven innocent.

[Old Man Winter]

Originally Posted by calvinbama

I think a fiscal and possibly a monetary crisis is definitely on the horizon, but I don't think they are imminent. The us is still the most powerful and wealthiest country in the world. Without some tough choices this won't be the case forever

Most powerful maybe, wealthiest? I disagree. This government is bankrupt, social programs trust funds have been widdled away at, national debt is beyond record highs, foriegn countries gobble up our debt further keeping the dollar circling the drain. With out some serious reform on government spending, life in this country could quite possibly change dramatically, and it isnt going to take long to happen. A bankrupt country wont keep its military functioning either.

[starbugster]

Originally Posted by lilred0005

Occasionally I look through the threads on here and the common thread seems to be preparation for an imminent disaster or civil unrest here in the U.S.. I am a fan of Coast to Coast AM nightly radio show and many of their topics also center on this theme. It often reminds me of the senario in Stephen King's The Stand, in which America collapses after the gov't accidentally leaks a biologically engineered "super virus". Sometimes that "fictional" book almost seems plausible.

My question, I guess, is do you truly believe life as we know it in America could completely unravel? How likely is this and is it imminent? How would the average person even begin to prepare for something like this? I am saving to buy my first firearm as I already live in a high crime area although I will be moving soon to a very rural part of the U.S. I just don't know after that. Thanks for listening!

Frankly, I think the US is going to split into 3 or 4 different countries sometime in the next 100-150 years. I think some of us just have too many irreconcilable differences. From the very beginning, I believe that has been so.The North and South should never have been one country.

There have been rare moments when the country has come together, WWII, 9-11, but mostly Americans from different parts of the country are very different, and I have lived in the Northeast, OK, TX, WI and now HI. I think we'd be better off as separate countries with a North American Union to unify our currency and come together if an invader tried to attack any of us. For everyday affairs, I think some parts of US are much more liberal and others much more conservative and we keep stonewalling one another. As a result, we are all declining socially, economiocally and politically, especially now that the US is turning from a predominantly "white" nation into a much more multi-cultural one, with some areas and even states, HI is one, that isn't Western European much at all.

Why not just admit we are trying to mix oil and water? We can be on good terms and stop the facade of attempting to be of one national consciousness. I guess many people would be shocked at my thoughts, and I'm not going to do anything to act on my beliefs, to split up the way it is now, but that is what I think will likely happen, and the sooner the inevitable happens, the better we will all adjust.

I actually do a lot of gardening and supplement much of the food I eat, not because I am a survivalist, but because I am against the US food industry. To me it is about profit over the health and wellbeing of US citizens, and I find that obscene. I'm not as committed as some people I know in my dietary choices, I admit to indulging my sweet tooth sometimes, but I am angered by a nationally sanctioned industry that puts corn syrup and sweeteners into everything, when it isn't even necessary. Americans are getting fatter and less healthy due to what the US government subsidizes, and then they berate the US public for being unhealthy. It's insane!! (Sorry for going off on another topic!)

[ChrisC]

Originally Posted by starbugster

Frankly, I think the US is going to split into 3 or 4 different countries sometime in the next 100-150 years. I think some of us just have too many irreconcilable differences. From the very beginning, I believe that has been so.The North and South should never have been one country.

There have been rare moments when the country has come together, WWII, 9-11, but mostly Americans from different parts of the country are very different, and I have lived in the Northeast, OK, TX, WI and now HI. I think we'd be better off as separate countries with a North American Union to unify our currency and come together if an invader tried to attack any of us. For everyday affairs, I think some parts of US are much more liberal and others much more conservative and we keep stonewalling one another. As a result, we are all declining socially, economiocally and politically, especially now that the US is turning from a predominantly "white" nation into a much more multi-cultural one, with some areas and even states, HI is one, that isn't Western European much at all.

Why not just admit we are trying to mix oil and water? We can be on good terms and stop the facade of attempting to be of one national consciousness. I guess many people would be shocked at my thoughts, and I'm not going to do anything to act on my beliefs, to split up the way it is now, but that is what I think will likely happen, and the sooner the inevitable happens, the better we will all adjust.

I actually do a lot of gardening and supplement much of the food I eat, not because I am a survivalist, but because I am against the US food industry. To me it is about profit over the health and wellbeing of US citizens, and I find that obscene. I'm not as committed as some people I know in my dietary choices, I admit to indulging my sweet tooth sometimes, but I am angered by a nationally sanctioned industry that puts corn syrup and sweeteners into everything, when it isn't even necessary. Americans are getting fatter and less healthy due to what the US government subsidizes, and then they berate the US public for being unhealthy. It's insane!! (Sorry for going off on another topic!)

I'm not shocked at all. Seems like it might be the best choice in the long run. When one "faction" wants to control all other "factions," it's really a PITA for everyone else who is not into that sort of control. So when the divorce due to irreconcilable differences happens, just point me in the direction of the part that becomes the shared individual liberty, live-and-let-live, minimal government red tape state, and I'll be there.