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Old 03-05-2011, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Flippin AR
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Lots of tools would be needed to survive indefinitely, but let's be real: the most important is firearms.

Whatever you have, you'll lose it unless you can defend yourself against those who will seek to take it from you by force.
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Old 03-06-2011, 04:19 PM
 
Location: Islip Township
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Best answer yet on this subject.
FireArms / Ammo and the guts to use them will get you all the Things your family needs.




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Lots of tools would be needed to survive indefinitely, but let's be real: the most important is firearms.

Whatever you have, you'll lose it unless you can defend yourself against those who will seek to take it from you by force.
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Old 03-07-2011, 07:57 AM
 
Location: outnabout
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FireArms / Ammo and the guts to use them will get you all the Things your family needs.
I for one, would take 'offense' at that.
While most everyone is preparing for self-sufficiency, you would take the 'offensive' role, and loot, raid, and take at gunpoint whatever you needed?
THAT is what everyone wants to DEFEND against

A lot of gun ownership is all about defense against criminals, and what you are suggesting is Being that criminal. Am I reading you wrong
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Old 03-07-2011, 08:43 AM
 
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Just out of curiosity, how much kerosene do you go through with the aladdin lamp? I have one that was my grandmother's, but it needs a new mantle. I also have a couple of old "standard" oil lamps that work just fine. I haven't used an aladdin, though, and I'm told they're quite a bit brighter. But how much extra kerosene does it use?

Chris, the fonts on my Model B's hold 1 qt of K-1, and run about 12 hours on that much. The Model 12 holds less than a qt, but i don't know exactly what amount.

The mantels are what make the lamp. These are still easy to get as are wicks. Little costly maybe, but to me well worth the costs.
You also need a tool called "wick trimmer" which is easy to get made in plastic, but if you hunt long and hard you can still find them in brass.

The first one I came by was used with no mantle for years, because i had no idea what I had. I was hunting deer when I found it, and there was this lamp burned on the ground. I went to pick it up and it refused to move. So I dug and i dug some more, then I got serious and dug more and more and turned up with a white 1930's vintage Lincoln Drape Model B.

It needed a new chimney glass, but not knowing what I had I used a local store bought glass, and ran it that way for years.

That was pre computer for a long long time, and some how I came to find out what I had some other way.

The next one, and by then I knew what these were cost me 15 bucks in a yard sale. It was a model B in another white glass font, but short, more common font style.

Then the next 2 came for free from a guy I helped move. He put the Model 12 and the modle B he had in the trash pile, and I asked if i could buy them. He told me if i wanted them to put em in my truck and so I did.

I use these every day in winter firing up 3 of the 4 generally, and if the room is real cold I fire up all 4 till the chill is off.

The room is a bed room, pc and art studio for us, at 14x25. The bed is offset a little from center, there is a dresser actting as a head board and all 4 lamps rest on that. With the lamps lit, it's like a camp fire almost, and they feed heat to one another and throw heat thruput the room this way better, than if weach were on it's own table spread out.

It takes me about (6) 5 gallon jugs a winter to heat this room, which has no other heat, other than a propane wall heaters which hasn't had the pilot lit in the past 3 years once.

I keep (2) 5 gallon jugs on hand, and from then with a cheap syphon pump fill (5) 2 liter pepsi bottles. Each day my wife or I top off the 3 main lamps, and it takes about 1 pepsi bottle to do that, at our rate of use, for 3 lamps per day.

The last time the pepsi bottles are filled draining the jug, we plan to go get more K-1, and have the other jug as back up.

K-1 should be cheaper than dirt, but isn't, and I run the red powder dyed K-1 too. These wicks do gag up on that dye and I wash them out once in a great while for it. (once each 3 years)

It just figures the Goobermint has to ruin anything.... in the name of taxes. You can buy more costly clear K-1 at Home Depot or Lowes in metal 5 gallon cans. I have when the pumps cost more.

I'ld like a cheaper fuel.

These lamps are a bit different from all the rest.. They are carburaters, and need to be warmed up. They self warm up.

With a new wick, you install that in a well cleaned out burner. With the burner off the font you can fill it this way once.

Next raise the wick, and dip it the lighting part in the font with the burner upside down. Place the burner somewhere dead calm and set up on blocks or a cup and light the wick. As the flames comes on strong, turn the wick down so about 1/4 inch shows, and let the wick burn out.

Next trim the wick, and after that screw the burner on the font and leave it there 10 to 12 hours to soak up fuel.

The next time you want light and heat you will remove the glass holder and light the wick in 3 places apx 120 degrees apart. Let the flame get warming the flame spreader (thimble like center brass) and install the glass.

TURN the flame down, let the water condenstaion clear from the glass, turn the flame up so the mantle glows just dim and let the lamp warm another 15 minutes. Then only turn it up mid way and no more.

Look for long yellow flame licks, and don't let them touch the mantel.

Of course they wil someday and that mantel might turn lamp black and crud up big time bad, spitting bits of lamp black all over the room and make the place stink

THE Mantel is NOT Ruined!

Turn the lamp off... Let it cool off. Wash the glass clean.

Re light the wick and install the glass, and turn the wick till the mantel covered in lamp black just glows red. Little by little the lamp black carbon will burn away untill the mantel is as it was... white again.

The worst thing you can do is think the mantle is dead and ruin it by touching it, or throw it away. I have some that have burned off the wire supports and they still work fine.

The next worse thing you can do is turn up the light to early and lamp black the wick.

The hotter these lamps get the more bright they burn.

Then the least problem is putting in real cold K-1 in the font and bring the lamp in a warm room. K-1 expands, and so if you fill th font to be full, not leaving say 1/2" of air, as the K-1 expands it will dump out and run right down the lamp.

I have never had that happen, but I still keep these lamps in metal trays with edges high enough to contain a slight spill.

Filling thru that little filler hole I always manage to smear a tiny spill each time i fill any of them. I just wipe that up with a paper towel I use over and over again, which is stored in a bucket away from the room, with the 5 pepsi bottles. The paper towel is always dry the next time I need it.

Lemans has all the parts on line.
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Old 03-07-2011, 10:52 AM
 
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I just need a gun and a vest and a vehicle so i can take what i need
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Old 03-07-2011, 11:54 AM
 
Location: Østenfor sol og vestenfor måne
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I'm all for labor saving like bicycle power, batteries, generators, etc., but a good and complete set of cabinet makers / joiners tools + axes and saws, would be high on my list. Used judiciously, they can serve multiple generations, can be used any time of day or night, and, with a complete set, you can build everything from a jewelry box to a timber framed house. And plane shavings make much better kindling than sawdust.

If I was reduced to a single tool, a single bit felling or forest axe with a medium handle. It's blade would be narrow enough for some finer work and even work as a scraper. You could theoretically build a crude, but adequate, house and some furniture with just an axe, not to mention cutting wood to heat it.
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Old 03-07-2011, 12:28 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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I just need a gun and a vest and a vehicle so i can take what i need

Oh, I'm sure you'll get "what you need" all right.

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Old 03-07-2011, 12:37 PM
 
Location: A Nation Possessed
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I'm all for labor saving like bicycle power, batteries, generators, etc., but a good and complete set of cabinet makers / joiners tools + axes and saws, would be high on my list. Used judiciously, they can serve multiple generations, can be used any time of day or night, and, with a complete set, you can build everything from a jewelry box to a timber framed house. And plane shavings make much better kindling than sawdust.
Yep. Those woodworking hand tools (the good ones) are more expensive than power tools these days, but in my mind are worth it. And if you've seen anyone work with them (that knows what they are doing), they are nearly as efficient as power tools, sometimes more so. Plus (and this is a BIG plus in my mind), they don't make a bunch of annoying (and damaging to ears) noise all ******* day long. I've been slowly collecting some of these tools (both the real antiques and the modern equivalents) as I can afford them. Right now it's mostly timber framing tools, but I'm planning on some different sizes and types of planes soon.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:03 PM
 
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Dam straight. I can drill with 18th century wood augers almost as fast as a 1/2 drive power drill, and if ther is no power a hell of a lot faster than that useless power drill will be. over years and time I have gathered a 19th century carpenters box and empty it makes me wonder how one man moved it. That box is bitchin' heavy empty, and it is far from empty. I have 19th century auger handles and double sets of the augers, I have duplicate planes, some for mouldings.

Never the less there are some tools I am lacking I would want. Most of these are felling saws and real big one man ripping saws.

Skel you might not wanna come to my place with that attitude.. Some people shoot back

Chris sorry about the book....... yer worth it.
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Old 03-07-2011, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Planet Eaarth
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I just need a gun and a vest and a vehicle so i can take what i need
Don't forget the head shot. Do you have a plan for that?
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