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There seams to be a complex web of rules and regulations on one and and no stigma at all on the other hand for living off the taxpayors. And it is not just welfare moms gaming the system, but rather many larger corporations as well. Just stand in line at the supermarket and guess who is on foodstamps. The people with high markup items who don't seem to care about the price or health consequences often already having "free health care" or a trumped up disability complete with recreational visits to the Dr for happy pills.
In the new healthcare bill people may soon be forced to buy healthcare they do not need...at high retail and no less. Housing is now closely regulated where the more free areas tend to be far from where jobs and paying customers are located.
Agri biz people are being attacked by the law for things such as raw milk, when just look via sites such as foodINC or sites regarding Monsanto what we are really getting fed. Some countries even stretch the facts teaching school children if they were in America they would be forced to eat flavored industrial waste.
It is like the free people who take responsiblity are now treated as enemies of society rather then vicious leaches who may infact be values customers and clients of and overclass
There are few things more obvious than the fact that America does not value or reward its most valuable citizens.
I'm not sure if it's a result of our Welfare State, or a more complex societal problem where the most responsible and intelligent among us are punished with massive taxes, ridiculously long workweeks with very little time off, tons of responsibility and stress, and business environments where crushing all morale is considered the most effective way to squeeze every drop of blood from the working class.
The business world requires the best workers to now do the jobs of 3 workers a generation ago, at less compensation than a single worker got in the 1970s. All the rewards of business profits go to the Robber-Baron CEO and his 5 or 6 cronies, while the 10,000 employees supporting this one unethical crook are seen as "costs," rather than the means to provide wealth for thousands who don't work for it.
Then Big Government steps in, and taxes the working professional to pay for the bloated size of massive government, endless world wars, pork and graft, and of course wealth redistribution. After you live a while, you realize that the Government DOESN'T protect you from Big Business, or scam artists, or anyone else who doesn't act ethically. And if you think a "safety net" program will be there for you after you experience REALLY hard times, you'll be sadly disappointed to find some technicality that disqualifies you. Yes, government gives huge windfalls to some, but it won't be you, the responsible taxpayer who PAYS for massive government. It will be the immigrant who pays no taxes but drops five more children into the system for you to educate, feed, house, provide translation services for, and of course free health care.
America has become so perverse that it almost exclusively rewards bad behavior, while punishing responsible behavior. My parents once asked why my spouse and I didn't have kids, when America needed more intelligent people. I said if America rewarded intelligence or hard work, we would have. Instead, it rewards being born in the upper class (not us), or simply being lazy and irresponsible. I wouldn't condemn a promising child to having to bear the burden of 1,000 parasites and having nothing left for himself, not even eventual retirement anymore.
Of course, such a dysfunctional system is bound to fail, and it looks like we're in the end-game now. All that overspending and over-borrowing by government has reached critical mass, and is now imploding. Unfortunately, it looks like the devaluation of the dollar will wipe out everyone's wages, savings and investments in one fell swoop, and they already crashed the value of housing. We'll be starting over with nothing, and it really is sad to see everything you've accumulated after a lifetime 80-hour weeks just dissolve.
Of course, when it does collapse, then suddenly it will be worthwhile to be intelligent and responsible again. The Era of the Parasites was great (for them) while it lasted, but I doubt they'll survive very long in the coming Era of Basic Survival.
The FBI is passing out handouts asking about certain items bought at surplus stores in Colorado. I'm not trying to start a political debate. I'm just posting this so people are aware of the possible situation.
Dmitri Orlov of CLublorlov.com writeswell about why he thinks the Soviet Union and Satilite states fell and how people coped.
Also how some of "best and brightest" most of whom happed to work for the government in the west never saw it comming.
He was born in the USSR, family moved the the USA while he was a teenager. He gets and engineering degree here. Then visits during the middle of the fall. The book reads better well.
There is alot more formal education in the US but much of it is really dumbed down now. Check out the academic requirements to graduate from a good public high school back in the teens or twenties of the last century and they look like those of a selective liberal arts college.
Wll into the 50's local government worked to prevent people from living it up on the taxpayors.
The USA is more and more becoming a place where people have to worry about "the knock on the door" when no wrongs have even been done.
There is a real possiblity much of the pensions and savings could wind up going into play. What good is the check if rather then lasting month could maybe pay one utiltilty bill or a bag of groceries.
The selfishness angle toward preppers is not really too valid. Many people do share ideas and would share more. But few really believe they would wind up living like someone in Brazil or Nigeria with good government practices Mexico is so well known for.
It is really likely better to act scruffy and poor. One of the issues is the USA is one of the more theft prone countries since the changes of the 1960s.
The are some really big issues on the table, the huge military budget and all of the handouts to so many people.
We has a better stock of people in the 1930;s, as well as incredible natural resources and many unused factories .
There are and abundence of recources to study and use in the coming years. There do seem to be rules laws and envy of goofballs to worry about
I am not advocating freeloading but I am also not advocating the other end. There has to be a middle for a (large) country to function. Unfortunately all you see these days are the extremes.
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I'm all for letting folks play the game any way they like... as long as playing it their way is NOT mandated. That's where I have a problem. Socialism, Communism, Communalism, Capitalism, Whatever-ism, etc... fine by me. Have at it. As long as we each have a choice of whether or not we wish to participate in said social model. On the other hand, if it's forced upon us, it's WRONG. And I don't care about the specifics of the system. Whatever it is, it's wrong if it's mandated. A viable social system starts with free agency and respect of others' free agency. Otherwise it's tyranny of one form or another.
just look at all the whining that gets done about my posts! All it is is talk, on the net, anonymous, incapable of harm, and quite ignorable if you disagree or just don't like me. But do the whiners do that? hell, no, they go in mobs to the head honcho of the site and beech about me.
if you LET it all dissolve, instead of making all the $ you can, in any way possible and buying both prepper items and gold coins, it's YOUR fault that you suffer later.
SVTRay wrote: "...The FBI is passing out handouts asking about certain items bought at surplus stores in Colorado. I'm not trying to start a political debate. I'm just posting this so people are aware of the possible situation."
Pending further verification by reputable organization who can verify, I post this .pdf related to that which was mentioned above, for whatever it is worth.
There seams to be a complex web of rules and regulations on one and and no stigma at all on the other hand for living off the taxpayors.
And it is not just welfare moms gaming the system, but rather many larger corporations as well. Just stand in line at the supermarket and guess who is on foodstamps. The people with high markup items who don't seem to care about the price or health consequences often already having "free health care" or a trumped up disability complete with recreational visits to the Dr for happy pills.
In the new healthcare bill people may soon be forced to buy healthcare they do not need...at high retail and no less.
Housing is now closely regulated where the more free areas tend to be far from where jobs and paying customers are located.
Agri biz people are being attacked by the law for things such as raw milk, when just look via sites such as foodINC or sites regarding Monsanto what we are really getting fed. Some countries even stretch the facts teaching school children if they were in America they would be forced to eat flavored industrial waste.
It is like the free people who take responsiblity are now treated as enemies of society rather then vicious leaches who may infact be values customers and clients of and overclass
But look at what mnay unregualted food indiustries have doen in the past. Even farmers now are dependent on governamnt subsides to teh poit that failure is often not a option.The governamnt does not tell you you can not drink raw milk but it does i sellig it to others;its too close to the hunch that moon shiners sold i numbers it killed.Housig is not regualted towaqrd rural areas because actaully lookig at the plitcs of governamnt handouts its concentrated i higher number voting urban areas.80% of governamnt spending to fight poverty goes to urban areas which actaully has 20% of poverty.At one time the urban areas where able to control, transportation and nergy to urban areas that emant getteos worker areas for deacdes to exist.Even now if you poor the urban areas with concentrated voter power of poorer people means more of the slice of the pie from federal government. If power that be rather poltical or inductrial they would keep people concentated in urban areas.The powerful have always had their country estates. Mnay in the rural areas who own large amounts of land are now made much risher byt eh agriculture policies and bill esepqcilly created to their benefit.
I’m sure that no matter what system we had in place, there would be a small faction of society that exploited it or others in order to get a free ride. That’s probably always going to happen.
However, there seems to be many people that think welfare and SSI recipients are universally lazy. I find that hard to believe. If there was enough work, and I mean gainful employment, for everybody, I’m quite sure that the welfare and SSI roles would shrink considerably.
The problem is that companies are exploiting American’s failing economy. Since there are more people that need work than jobs, wages do not keep up with inflation, workers are forced to do the labor that two or three people used to do, and the like. As well as having a shrinking labor force, CEOs are paid exponentially more money than they were thirty to forty years ago.
Due to these reasons, many people are faced with these choices:
1. Work for minimum wage and not make it.
2. Go homeless.
3. Go on welfare and at least have the basics.
4. Collect 900 – 1,500 monthly SSI and work under the table
5. Pay ridiculous amounts of child support to a woman that doesn’t work herself and doesn’t take care of the kids or go to jail if you don’t.
6. Go on welfare or SSI to avoid not being able to afford exorbitant amounts of child support that you can’t afford due to having a minimum wage job and or being under employed. It will keep you out of jail.
For the majority of the people that I know that are on welfare, SSI, and or the dole, that’s what they faced, so it made more sense to go on the dole than to work. It’s called common sense. If work, affordable housing, and all that made America’s economy from post WWII up to the early 1970s returned, I’m quite sure most people would leave the welfare and SSI roles because they could earn four to six times their monthly check just by working. As it stands today, it makes complete sense to me why so many people are on the dole.
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