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Well I know the word of God says it's wrong but I wonder how many will be stealing food?
I remember as a child of 7 being trained by a person to steal in Kansas City we didn't have anything. Remember Milk Truck at the Store and stealing milk off it.
I think that the OP will be in for a very severe shock, when thousands of the city folk, dog packs and cats show up nearby, kill off all the livestock, game and fish, steal all the grain and strip bare all the edible plants, let fires get out of control, and spread disease everywhere. :-) If you google for an almanac, and see how much food the US (and then your state) imports, what types, when, etc, are grown locally, you will find that very few places offer year round food, and those places are inundated (or will be) with people if shtf. Being seen in daylight will mean getting shot, by far too high a % of the population to risk it. They just won't risk having you shoot them, or having your competition for resources.
hundreds of people know about your farm or ranch or cabin, and they WILL talk and spread that information, too. Just because you can't be seen from the road won't mean a thing. Not one person in 1000 is properly prepped and never will be, so your neighbors will be the looters. Any building above ground will be sought out and searched, again and again, if shtf. A person who lives near proper resources (woods, water, etc) can more easily have a truly well- hidden (very small, below ground) shelter and cached food, (buried) and that's what they'd better do, cause buggin- in aint going to work.
Bugging-out does not have to mean that you go far, or that you use a motorized vehicle at all.or that you don't have pre-cached food and goodies. It just means that you get out of sight and stay that way, for a year or so, while things calm down, and dont expose yourself to the fighting and diseases that will wipe out 90-99% of the population. Don't be outside of your dugout in daylight, and almost all of those problems will just pass you by.
not a chance, they won't be able to support themselves, there will be no shipping. The $100 bill will be toilet tissue, how will the suppliers and shippers take payment, hmm? the US economy and bread basket supports the entire world. If the US gets a cold, the rest of the world dies of pneuonia. Google for the facts about food production and economic forces.
I think that the OP will be in for a very severe shock, when thousands of the city folk, dog packs and cats show up nearby, kill off all the livestock, game and fish, steal all the grain and strip bare all the edible plants, let fires get out of control, and spread disease everywhere. :-) If you google for an almanac, and see how much food the US (and then your state) imports, what types, when, etc, are grown locally, you will find that very few places offer year round food, and those places are inundated (or will be) with people if shtf. Being seen in daylight will mean getting shot, by far too high a % of the population to risk it. They just won't risk having you shoot them, or having your competition for resources.
Just think about how difficult it is to kill a squirrel, or a deer, or any other animal for that matter. Some days you get one; other days you sit/walk idly for hours with no results.
Now, think about needing to do it every day. Warm, cold, rain, snow, ice, thunder storms. Got to get out and find food.
Now, think about 100,000 people chasing that same deer/rabbit/partridge. We consume in America about 20 MILLION chickens every day. We slaughter about 100,000 cows EVERY DAY. The corridor which the OP cited along the Appalachian Trail holds about 150,000,000 people. Imagine if even 10% of them decided they could camp out in the mountains until the storm blows over? Two weeks? A month? Before there was no game, no water, no fuel, no remaining edible wild greenery.
Like it or not, the vast majority are stuck where they are. A few can likely flee to the hills, or any other location, but we are just too large a nation to believe that 'survivalist' strategies are going to work for anything more than a handful of folks.
IF our system collapses, it is likely that it starts with the government and the wealthy. These are the pigs who are skimming more from the masses than any other group. Famers will still farm; drillers will still drill; trucks will still rumble. Even if there is no administrative umbrella (government) layered over the 'system', it is likely that it would take a couple of years, with no effort to 'regroup', before our existing infrastructure would be completely denigrated.
We are a resourceful people. We'll find ways to build viable systems to meet our needs. Our nation is of such a size that we simply cannot survive one to one, but must rely on our neighbors on a one to many relationship to survive, if not thrive.
Fleeing to the hills, living off the land? Romantic wandering, but not plausible for more than a tiny group of people.
nobody's going to keep doing anything, man. why would they? The $100 bill will be toilet tissue. Why would they work for free? Who will be protecting their families from the looter types, while they do whatever you "think" that they will keep doing? :-) That's not going to happen. Everyone will be picking it with the chickens, and the great majority, if not 99%, will be dead within a year of the power going off, gasoline not being available, etc.
All the silly talk about prepardness and the end of days aside (this is a funny forum)...
East of the MS this is an illusion that you are alone in the wilderness, miles from civilization (with the possible exception of Maine). Trust me I did my share of hiking in the Southern Apallachains, and lived in Eastern TN for 4 years - you can't walk five miles in one direction without hitting civilization - a road, highway, landstead, campground, campers, etc. even when you think you are in the middle of nowhere. The trails are decieving because they twist and turn. The appalachian trail itself is semi-urbanized, wich makes it so user friendly. You are never more than a days walk from some small town. The national forest lands are just criss-crossed with old logging roads.
Georgia's Cahutta Wilderness is probably the most remote area you can get in the southern appalachians. But that's only about 20 miles accross.
A motorcycle can easily have a 5 gallon jerrycan of gas in front of and behind a buddyrest, and 2 more in the saddlebag position. Common, highway mileage is 40mpg, with a fairing. 23 gallons of gas means 1000 miles of "range". Over half that if all of it is "off road".. Now, in that time/space, do you really think that a cyclist won't find enough gas to go as much further? The gas in a combine or tractor can completely refill those jerrycans, and even the little bit that's in a rototiller or a lawnmower can mean many miles, at pretty high rates of speed. Nobody in the lower 48 states is "remote' from being accessed by many thousands of people.
I've been to many countries overseas and many that have made it to starvation! I've seen what happens during real survival and not as many as you would think will hunt outside of the cities. Much will go on as it is but ownership of business will certainly change. Biggest guns only happen inside the cities and bands (or tribes) will form and have their own territories. Game will be hunted down but not gone.
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