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Old 11-02-2011, 09:57 PM
 
Location: America's Kakistocracy
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Your chance of dying at any given time is never non-zero.
Not quoting myself to be vain or anything. It's just that someone might take this line literally (when in fact it was the opposite of what I meant) and think they will indeed live forever--cause they believe everything they read--and when they don't live forever try to sue me. Hmmm, how would that work?

Sorry, the line should read either,

"Your chance of dying at any given time is never zero,"

or,

"Your chance of dying at any given time is always non-zero."

My bad--fingers typing faster than brain thinking.



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I certainly don't go to the health and beauty boards to tell people how to become beautiful.
Had to smile at this one. I had a flash of me posting on the Fashion and Beauty forum. Holy cheddar cheese puffs! http://******************/vomit-smiley-5013.gif (broken link) I'd have those poor folks screaming in psychotic horror as they ran away from their computer screens. Most wouldn't make it to the bathroom in time. [img]http://******************/vomit-smiley-31.gif[/img]
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Old 11-03-2011, 12:35 AM
 
Location: where you sip the tea of the breasts of the spinsters of Utica
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Got to admit, that was the best laugh I have had in days.
This thread went to the bottom of the pile and I forgot about it until I saw it tonight, and after a long day working, the pure insanity of that post really gave me a lighthearted boost.

I have a question for the folks here who actually do live in a manner that promotes self reliance and preparadness, Why do folks with apparently no interest in the subject, nor any apparent ability to perform even the most basic tasks that would be required to live more than 10 minutes from the doctor/hospital/fast food place/car lot/ subway station/ police officer find that the only intimated pleasure they have in life is to come onto a board such as this one, and try to convince people who actually live the life, that it is impossible?

I am not trying to hijack this thread, but past comments from a specific poster have given rise to the question, if you have no intrest in living like this, what difference does it make if someone else does??

I don't do anything too different than a lot of folks here on this board, I have never made sugar like Mac, while I was a first responder on a fire department for 12 years, I never felt the desire to become a full paramedic like SCGranny,(I have a weak stomach for too much of that stuff ), and while I was military for several years, there are security specialists on this board, and ChrisC has a lot more experience in the desert and apparently a lot more intrest in in architecture than I do, I guess it is just beyond my comprehension why there would be any intrest to just try to start fights on an internet board...I certainly don't go to the health and beauty boards to tell people how to become beautiful.

Most of the folks here appear to be highly intelligent, motivated and thinking indviduals. I may not always agree with everything written, but to bring the conversation down to apparent insults, well that to me is just showing a lack of character.
Just my 2 cents. I would really like to hear what other posters may think about this.

Oh yeah, one more thing, is Atlas Shrugged some kind of magazine like Countryside or Farmer Stockman?
It's an old romantic novel about libertarian superheroes. Some of them isolated in a hidden valley that sounded kind of like your ranch, and then set about inventing things. (I had a bit of doubt about some of the things you said, it seemed sort of too good to be true - but that's not important).

I don't have any problem with people taking the self-reliance thing to any extreme they want to. I simply don't think there's any urgent need to do so to the point of complete self-reliance unless that's what gives you pleasure!

But I've known a few people to think that they HAD to do so in order to survive the impending collapse of civilization ..... some of them literally thinking there would be a complete Mad Max scenario inside of a year (sometimes they're afraid it will happen in days if there's been some crisis!), and so they're rushing to max out the credit cards to buy the farm and tools and critters etc.

I realize that none of you are that extreme, but I just want to emphasize that extreme self-reliance is not NECESSARY, though some may choose to do it for fun. However if you do feel it's actually necessary to seek out some farmland as the OP was writing about, you're better off reducing your workload by choosing the property in an area with mild winters. It is NOT INSIGNIFICANT work to chop down trees with an ax and then saw it into rounds by hand. Sure, splitting the rounds is easy enough and even pleasurable, but not the other stuff.

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Old 11-03-2011, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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... is Atlas Shrugged some kind of magazine like Countryside or Farmer Stockman?
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Old 11-03-2011, 08:37 AM
 
Location: America's Kakistocracy
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I guess another question pertaining to our modern society would be, "why is everyone so afraid of work?"

I see so many people paying a gym so they can work. What's wrong with real work? Of course felling a tree is work. So?
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Old 11-03-2011, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Where the mountains touch the sky
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It's an old romantic novel about libertarian superheroes. Some of them isolated in a hidden valley that sounded kind of like your ranch, and then set about inventing things. (I had a bit of doubt about some of the things you said, it seemed sort of too good to be true - but that's not important).

I don't have any problem with people taking the self-reliance thing to any extreme they want to. I simply don't think there's any urgent need to do so to the point of complete self-reliance unless that's what gives you pleasure!

But I've known a few people to think that they HAD to do so in order to survive the impending collapse of civilization ..... some of them literally thinking there would be a complete Mad Max scenario inside of a year (sometimes they're afraid it will happen in days if there's been some crisis!), and so they're rushing to max out the credit cards to buy the farm and tools and critters etc.

I realize that none of you are that extreme, but I just want to emphasize that extreme self-reliance is not NECESSARY, though some may choose to do it for fun. However if you do feel it's actually necessary to seek out some farmland as the OP was writing about, you're better off reducing your workload by choosing the property in an area with mild winters. It is NOT INSIGNIFICANT work to chop down trees with an ax and then saw it into rounds by hand. Sure, splitting the rounds is easy enough and even pleasurable, but not the other stuff.

OK, now that made a lot more sense, thank you for the clarification.
I have read Solzenitzen and Tolstoy, but have no exposure to Atlas Shrugged, and a big thank you to jetgraphics, I will have to check this out.

I understand that what I do and what many people on this board do are sometimes considered over the top or unnecessary, but there are many things done by people for their own reasons that could be considered unnecessary. For example, I have never felt the overwhelming desire to jump out of a perfectly good airplane, or climb over a rock a thousand feet in the air. Nothing wrong with folks that want to do that, just not my cup of tea.

The wife was watching a TV show last night that really brought home to me why more people should be more self reliant. I don't know what the name of the show was or what channel it was on, but the story was about the blizzard that hit Chicago last winter and stranded hundreds of cars on Lakeshore Drive. Even though they were in a major city, the people had no way to help themselves. No food, or blankets, or extra clothes, nothing in their cars that would help them survive until the fire department or a tow truck could get to them.

I could never be that helpless, just not in my nature. I don't expect the entire world to collapse on itself in the next few months, (not to say it couldn't happen,) but my lifestyle has always been predicated largely on the fact that I do live in a very harsh environment with very few public services. If you don't have an ambulance within 30 miles of you, you learn first aid. If you have to drive 15 or 20 miles to the nearest grocery store, and your roads are prone to be blocked by snow and ice, you learn to have some food stockpiled and extra fuel.
In an area where power lines are at the mercy of high winds, you have a generator or a backup power source, and a backup heating/cooking/lighting source.

There are large areas of this state that are remote during good weather, during winter storms, you may as well be on the moon because you are on your own. There are actually towns here that do not have paved roads to them, and in wet conditions, the mud is impassible.
No story, just the way it is here.

Living like this, you are forced to become self sufficent, and people who are constantly fixing, repairing, upgrading understand the mechanics and theorys of hydrolics, electricity, mass, engineering, and are naturally those who come up with ideas on how to do something better, or how to do without something produced commercially, and make their own. Necessity is the mother of invention.

To clairfy a point, my mother isn't cured of Parkinson's, the specialist, (60 miles away), just told her that she was doing so well the pills weren't adding to her health so she didn't have to take them. She may have to go back on them in the future, but why take the pills and spend the money if she dosen't have to? A good part of that is the way she lives, Lots of excercise and unprocessed home grown foods. I don't think it is anything special, just a specific situation.

I agree that folks shouldn't get the bug to start prepping, and spend everything they have to buy stuff they can't work or don't know how to use, or don't really need, but for the people who want to practice self sufficency on whatever level their work ethic, finances and dreams can handle, well I say go for it. It isn't easy, but it is a great way of life.
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