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Old 12-04-2011, 10:33 AM
 
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Why would you want a guard dog? A guard dog is a dog that has had extensive and expensive training to be a guard dog. A watch dog is a dog that will alert the owner when something is wrong. The great thing about dogs is that they are all natural watch dogs. Guard dogs are good but can be easily outsmarted by a human unless the guard dog is paired and operating with a human. A watch dog operates on it's own with no training at all. I believe that all we can ask from our canines is a warning.
One of the best dogs for sounding an alarm and a dog that was breed as a watch dog is a miniature schnauzer. As a long time owner of this breed I have found them to not only be alert to sound but also to smell and nothing escapes their eyesight. All I ask is for them to sound the alarm and they do.
I got the shotgun.
In my case really a watchdog, but had never really thought about till recently when the good watchdog died of old age. She just happened to wander up to the house as a stray and stayed greatful for a place to live and daily food and attention. Now have to think about what to get. One adult children is also looking for a dog. The police are not really staffed to deal with crime. There was a petty theft problem that was gone with the watchdog. It would also get other dogs barking and people coming out to investigate. That dog really earned its keep. I had not really even thought of the difference between a watchdog and a guardog till now, even though the difference is clear in hindsight.

I could get a rather large kennel for free just to haul it off.
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Old 12-04-2011, 01:25 PM
 
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Any thoughs on watch dogs. We had a small female terrier dog for may years that stayed outside for many years that did a very good job of running off
petty thieves and possibly worse.

The dog would bark and carry on it strangers came into the the area.
But was too small to tear someone's face off and cause civil or crimnal liabilty.

My wife could understand the many different barks the dog had. A stray male terrier came by, my pronounced the dog worthless. And proved to be be correct in that it only barks at people it knows. After about a month I just let the dog loose. Even I could walk into the grounds at 3 am and not a peep out of the dog. I would have to deliberately make alot of noise of call the dog. The dog still runs around the are area like before.

She like the old dog alot. Because it looked out for the human family.

Any advice on watch dogs. The dog that died of old age, likely had been pepper sprayed by the postal carrier more then once. But was a good barking dog before that. I had been able to identify thieves and drug abusers in the past thanks to the dog. Those people were not afraid of the dog, but hated and feared the Peckerwood.
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I only have had watch dogs. Their purpose is to announce (to me and others in the house) that something is not right.
I am the 'heavy' when it comes to defending the property (don't ask).

Personally, I never have nor would allow my dog to be outside unescorted by me or a family member.

The purpose of a watch dog is to signal you, not defend you (though these little guys can get defensive, in their own way) . (mine weighs 5lbs)

I looked at getting a guard dog. A good friend of mine is the K-9 officer in a nearby town, and offered me his retired police dog (they get retired at about six years old). The SO and I though about it for a while, but then I realized the impracticalities:

1). The dog is literally a very dangerous weapon. Easily as dangerous as a gun, but way less predictable.
2). I would have to go to a 2-3 week training course to get the dog to bond to me.
3). Guard dogs are working dogs... they need a tremendous amount of attention and exercise, every day.
4). I only had to learn the 26 commands in Czechoslovakian, so that was not too bad.
5). My biggest fear is the liability... Let's say people are playing in the front yard, rough-housing, and the dog considers one of the household members is in danger, and I am not around? Even liability insurance isn't going to save me there.
6). German Shepherds (at least this one) are huge
7). To be honest I was a little bit intimidated by him, because he has the capacity to really, really injure someone.


(One thing I learned, is to never walk up to the owner with your hands in your pockets, with a dog like this...) They also stare at you constantly, looking for instructions.

To summarize, a guard dog is something you get if you really need it to perform a job. Just like a chainsaw; works very well, but is dangerous.

Just get a monitored alarm system and a few cameras/time-lapse recorder (or do it on a PC), and there is no hassle, no risk, no liablility... (and some personal protection in the house).
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Old 12-04-2011, 02:34 PM
 
Location: southwest TN
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Liability is and issue. I have noticed small Chihuahuas tend to make alot of noise. By personality I have thought of getting one of those

The now gone dog really carried on but was not large or strong enough to injure anyone. She had a tantrum if anyone came near. I would find spent pepper sprays from time to time from the letter carrier. She also got other dogs carrying on to alert people in the area. She likely wieght less then 10 pounds. If she really did want to go after someone, not likely to be able to do much damage. She made skells think the police might be coming or even worse the owner.

My wife instantly pronounced the new dog as worthles even though it lookd just like the old one except was a male vs female. I thought it would bond and then start protecting. Not at all. It was a stray that just showed up and the old dog died less then a week later. It would only bark at people it knew. Even I could sneak into the yard at night, and would have to wake the dog up by making alot of noise at night to get any reaction.

So we just opened the gate, and stopped feeding it. It no longer comes by very much at all. It was and error to start feeding it in the first place.
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Us too! I make sure to wear a cop uniform or current ACU's when I beat them with a stick! They hate those cloths.....

These posts really disturb me.
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Old 12-04-2011, 04:33 PM
 
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I would love to have a dog but having lost several in the past few years to coyotes (possibly bobcats), I now only have two tom cats who keep my barns rodent-free.

My Texas farm is rather isolated so, if I were to have another dog, it would probably be a Great Pyrenees.
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:16 AM
 
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Before you get a guard dog, get an umbrella insurance policy. It only costs a couple hundred dollars per year for a couple million. Think about it as though you got a dog that weighs 30 pounds more and it is the extra dog food you would have to buy. Then if the dog rips some intruder apart, the insurance will cover it. they may cancel you on the 2nd or third incident, but by then you will be have time to figure out another approach if you have to. I say "before" because, like having a trampoline in the yard, you may not get the coverage if they figure out that Spot is more than a house pet.
Huh?? You are worried about being sued if your dog injures a burglar? If you live somewhere that doesn't allow you to protect yourself in your own home (castle doctrine), then you should really consider moving instead of accepting the victim mentality. If someone breaks into my home while I'm there, heaven help them. If I come home and find a broken window with blood from multiple dog bites, I will be making a run to Kroger for their finest steaks.

I have mentioned before that people should add "Beware of Dog" signs to their fence (along with motion lights, alarm stickers, blah blah...) to prevent burglaries, and I was bombared with people saying "NO! YOU'LL GET SUED BECAUSE YOU'RE LABELING YOUR DOG AS VICIOUS!" If you can't protect yourself from litigation in court after someone entered your house or your fenced area without permission, something is very wrong.


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We have two very large, protective German Shepherds. I sleep very well at night.
I have a male German Shepherd that is around 115 lbs. I will never buy another breed.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Western Colorado
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Us too! I make sure to wear a cop uniform or current ACU's when I beat them with a stick! They hate those cloths.....
What?????
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:05 PM
 
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I was an mp dog handler, with shepherds. Dogs r not worth the trouble of owning. I greatly prefer an electronic alert. Everyone should not have to listen to your dognoise
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Old 03-08-2012, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Boilermaker Territory
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A German Shepherd. Probably the best anti-theft option for house security.
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Old 03-09-2012, 05:45 AM
 
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Pmost shephards today have ruinous hip displacemnt and a big dog costs about $100 a month to feed. Post shtf feeding one will be ootq
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:19 AM
 
Location: northern Alabama
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Default Forget dogs

I agree with the poster about the geese. They make excellent watch 'dogs'. If it's familiar, they will discuss it briefly. If it's not familiar, they will raise a racket. I defy anyone to sleep thru a flock of geese complaining about strange things going on!!!

Plus, there is the advantage of eating them, or at least their eggs. I have never eaten dog, and don't want to!

Word of warning about guinea fowls. Good for some purposes, but when disturbed, they will talk about it loudly - for hours. They are the gossips of the bird world.

When geese find there is nothing to talk about, they shut up.
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