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In spite of the best plans to prepare to "Bug In" at the end of the day every home cache ,that is well stocked, will become yet another resource for those who have not prepared.
IMO this is why family secrecy is so important as well as being as invisible as you can be. Do ,or say, nothing that will call attention to you, your plans, your equipment, or anything else that has to do with preparedness planning or actions taken.
It's been said....."loose lips sink ships" or get you killed.
In spite of the best plans to prepare to "Bug In" at the end of the day every home cache ,that is well stocked, will become yet another resource for those who have not prepared.
IMO this is why family secrecy is so important as well as being as invisible as you can be. Do ,or say, nothing that will call attention to you, your plans, your equipment, or anything else that has to do with preparedness planning or actions taken.
It's been said....."loose lips sink ships" or get you killed.
Wise words. Operational Security (OPSEC) should be more than just a buzz phrase. There are plenty of people who would be more than willing to try to deprive you of your hard-earned supplies in time of crisis.
I know that mentally I am prepared to defend what is mine -- and it wouldn't turn out well for a raider. Still, I'd really rather not have to take the action, so not advertising preparation is a smart move.
In spite of the best plans to prepare to "Bug In" at the end of the day every home cache ,that is well stocked, will become yet another resource for those who have not prepared.
IMO this is why family secrecy is so important as well as being as invisible as you can be. Do ,or say, nothing that will call attention to you, your plans, your equipment, or anything else that has to do with preparedness planning or actions taken.
It's been said....."loose lips sink ships" or get you killed.
Very good point. A few months ago the Discovery Channel showed a few families who were preparing for disaster.
What I found beyond dumb is they not only said what state they were living in, but the town, and their last name.
One couple lived in Mesa, AZ and they even showed the front of their home with the address on the house. It was bad enough that being in AZ their backyard was pretty barren so their hothouse of plants, fish,etc were visible to all neighbors and the houses are practically one on top of the other.
But let's tell everyone else our last name, city and state, and show our house on TV.
In spite of the best plans to prepare to "Bug In" at the end of the day every home cache ,that is well stocked, will become yet another resource for those who have not prepared.
IMO this is why family secrecy is so important as well as being as invisible as you can be. Do ,or say, nothing that will call attention to you, your plans, your equipment, or anything else that has to do with preparedness planning or actions taken.
It's been said....."loose lips sink ships" or get you killed.
You started out with a bang and ended with a whimper.
You are 100% correct in that "preppers" are doing nothing but wasting their money supplying others (hopefully those who kill the "preppers" won't pee on their dead bodies -- like it really matters since the "preppers": are dead anyway).
Where you failed is that no amount of OPSEC will alter the reality.
Now, understand that "prepping" is relative to Group Dynamics.
If you live in Eagle Grove, Iowa (population 3,712 at 2000 census; the largest city in Wright County) then by all means, please "prep" away to your heart's contentment.
Kind of smells like "Jericho" and "New Bern."
What is the Group Dynamic here? There is no anonymity. Everyone knows everyone (and everyone's business) and so you don't have to worry about thugs (although the 35,000 people in Fort Dodge roughly 40 miles away might pose a threat).
If you live in a larger urban area, then the Group Dynamic is total anonymity, and yes if you're thinking Mob Mentality then you're on the right track.
The fact that you live in suburbia will not alter the reality that in less than 4 hours, 10,000 screaming starving maniacs will be on your doorstep.
Where I live, there's 310,000+ in the city, and a total of 1 Million in the county, and when they start migrating in search of food, they will leave no stone unturned.
They will be searching house-to-house looking for food, clothing, anything they can use as a weapon (like kitchen knives), tools, or anything else of value.
"I will defend my home." No you will not. Stop houghing farts like an idiot.
Unless you have 8 shooters, you cannot defend all 360° of your home (or apartment).
Blind spots. Doh! I've seen thousands of homes with 1-2 car garages, and there is no window on the garage, or there is no window(s) on side of the house. That is a blind spot. Once someone gets to the perimeter, it's over.
3-5 Second Rush. Doh! You're going kill 20 people rushing directly at you in less than 5 seconds? No you are not, and once they are up against the perimeter, it is over.
Did you forget about things like depression/elevation? Yes, you most certainly did.
Oh, yes, like an idle school-boy, you barricaded the windows, boarding them up and left yourself "firing ports." Too bad for you that you totally forgot about depression/elevation, because once someone gets up to the wall next/under the window, you cannot see them or shoot them, and your life will end (and they will pee on your dead body -- like good marines).
Ever drive through some of the subdivisions? How much distance between one house and the next? Maybe 10 feet, maybe 60 feet.
Any of you fellas ever heard of a "ladder?"
Nope.
I throw up a ladder, climb up on the roof of one house with my people, then we take another ladder and lay it across to your roof and walk across and viola! We're on top of your house.
And you all thought you were smart. I guess you ain't all that.
And there's always fire. Don't underestimate people's intelligence. I know how to make anti-personnel hand grenades, napalm grenades, incendiary grenades, chemical (poison) grenades, smoke grenades, trip-flares etc, etc, etc. And I'm not the only one.
So defending your home is a total impossibility (unless you live in Eagle Grove, Iowa) and if you attempt to do so, the only thing that will happen is that you and your loved ones will die, probably horribly, get peed on, and then others will take all that you have, and your home ends up becoming a supply depot for others.
The only way you will survive is through collective security in a large group, that would have ideally at least 100 able-bodied shooters (who can also hump and run patrols).
In the first 30 days after "it" happens, you will be working feverishly day and night making mortars, mortar rounds, pipe bombs, hand grenades and constructing defensive positions, to take on "The Hoard" that will be coming after you shortly.
And you'll be burning down houses. Why? There's 16 houses in a cul-de-sac. Do I have the man power to take sledgehammers to those homes to get at the electrical wiring and plumbing? No, I don't. What a waste of time and energy. I can just burn down all 16 houses and then very easily get at the wiring and plumbing. And why do I need it? Mortars, mortar rounds, pipe bombs, sabot rounds, home-made recoiless rifles (like RPG-7, RPG-12, LAW, 90 mm) etc etc, and I need the wiring for trip wires for booby traps, trip-flares, etc etc, and for antennas for communications (many HAMs build their own radios using vacuum tubes -- those will survive EMP), plus I need the wire to construct a crude telegraph system for communicating with out-posts which will eventually morph into a crude field phone system, once we collect enough telephone parts.
Besides, if I burn down the houses, then they cannot be occupied by threat forces.
So prepping will get you absolutely nowhere, except dead. Prepping without a cogent survival plan is the same thing as planning to fail, which means being killed and peed on.
If you don't want the women in your life to be brutally raped and sodomized or used as sex slaves, then my advice is to dump the idiotic macho He-Man I'll-Defend-My-Castle nonsense and cowboy up with a survival group.
You can form a non-profit group, and then prep and have your supplies pre-positioned in a safe place that can be easily defended by a group of people.
...gives some novice starter points on selecting an area that can be easily defended, and offers food sources.
It also touches briefly on using a county or State park or some other relatively safe place as a Rally Point for the people in your survival group. Everyone rallies there, and then armed security personnel from your survival group escort them safely to The Haven so that you can start the process of surviving, and then once all threats to your group are neutralized, you can start the process of rebuilding society, or at least rebuilding what's left of your lives.
You started out with a bang and ended with a whimper.
You are 100% correct in that "preppers" are doing nothing but wasting their money supplying others (hopefully those who kill the "preppers" won't pee on their dead bodies -- like it really matters since the "preppers": are dead anyway).
Where you failed is that no amount of OPSEC will alter the reality.
Now, understand that "prepping" is relative to Group Dynamics.
If you live in Eagle Grove, Iowa (population 3,712 at 2000 census; the largest city in Wright County) then by all means, please "prep" away to your heart's contentment.
Kind of smells like "Jericho" and "New Bern."
What is the Group Dynamic here? There is no anonymity. Everyone knows everyone (and everyone's business) and so you don't have to worry about thugs (although the 35,000 people in Fort Dodge roughly 40 miles away might pose a threat).
If you live in a larger urban area, then the Group Dynamic is total anonymity, and yes if you're thinking Mob Mentality then you're on the right track.
The fact that you live in suburbia will not alter the reality that in less than 4 hours, 10,000 screaming starving maniacs will be on your doorstep.
Where I live, there's 310,000+ in the city, and a total of 1 Million in the county, and when they start migrating in search of food, they will leave no stone unturned.
They will be searching house-to-house looking for food, clothing, anything they can use as a weapon (like kitchen knives), tools, or anything else of value.
"I will defend my home." No you will not. Stop houghing farts like an idiot.
Unless you have 8 shooters, you cannot defend all 360° of your home (or apartment).
Blind spots. Doh! I've seen thousands of homes with 1-2 car garages, and there is no window on the garage, or there is no window(s) on side of the house. That is a blind spot. Once someone gets to the perimeter, it's over.
3-5 Second Rush. Doh! You're going kill 20 people rushing directly at you in less than 5 seconds? No you are not, and once they are up against the perimeter, it is over.
Did you forget about things like depression/elevation? Yes, you most certainly did.
Oh, yes, like an idle school-boy, you barricaded the windows, boarding them up and left yourself "firing ports." Too bad for you that you totally forgot about depression/elevation, because once someone gets up to the wall next/under the window, you cannot see them or shoot them, and your life will end (and they will pee on your dead body -- like good marines).
Ever drive through some of the subdivisions? How much distance between one house and the next? Maybe 10 feet, maybe 60 feet.
Any of you fellas ever heard of a "ladder?"
Nope.
I throw up a ladder, climb up on the roof of one house with my people, then we take another ladder and lay it across to your roof and walk across and viola! We're on top of your house.
And you all thought you were smart. I guess you ain't all that.
And there's always fire. Don't underestimate people's intelligence. I know how to make anti-personnel hand grenades, napalm grenades, incendiary grenades, chemical (poison) grenades, smoke grenades, trip-flares etc, etc, etc. And I'm not the only one.
So defending your home is a total impossibility (unless you live in Eagle Grove, Iowa) and if you attempt to do so, the only thing that will happen is that you and your loved ones will die, probably horribly, get peed on, and then others will take all that you have, and your home ends up becoming a supply depot for others.
The only way you will survive is through collective security in a large group, that would have ideally at least 100 able-bodied shooters (who can also hump and run patrols).
In the first 30 days after "it" happens, you will be working feverishly day and night making mortars, mortar rounds, pipe bombs, hand grenades and constructing defensive positions, to take on "The Hoard" that will be coming after you shortly.
And you'll be burning down houses. Why? There's 16 houses in a cul-de-sac. Do I have the man power to take sledgehammers to those homes to get at the electrical wiring and plumbing? No, I don't. What a waste of time and energy. I can just burn down all 16 houses and then very easily get at the wiring and plumbing. And why do I need it? Mortars, mortar rounds, pipe bombs, sabot rounds, home-made recoiless rifles (like RPG-7, RPG-12, LAW, 90 mm) etc etc, and I need the wiring for trip wires for booby traps, trip-flares, etc etc, and for antennas for communications (many HAMs build their own radios using vacuum tubes -- those will survive EMP), plus I need the wire to construct a crude telegraph system for communicating with out-posts which will eventually morph into a crude field phone system, once we collect enough telephone parts.
Besides, if I burn down the houses, then they cannot be occupied by threat forces.
So prepping will get you absolutely nowhere, except dead. Prepping without a cogent survival plan is the same thing as planning to fail, which means being killed and peed on.
If you don't want the women in your life to be brutally raped and sodomized or used as sex slaves, then my advice is to dump the idiotic macho He-Man I'll-Defend-My-Castle nonsense and cowboy up with a survival group.
You can form a non-profit group, and then prep and have your supplies pre-positioned in a safe place that can be easily defended by a group of people.
...gives some novice starter points on selecting an area that can be easily defended, and offers food sources.
It also touches briefly on using a county or State park or some other relatively safe place as a Rally Point for the people in your survival group. Everyone rallies there, and then armed security personnel from your survival group escort them safely to The Haven so that you can start the process of surviving, and then once all threats to your group are neutralized, you can start the process of rebuilding society, or at least rebuilding what's left of your lives.
Laughing at "preppers"...
Mircea
you laugh at preppers, just remember that when you are starving, trying to rob a prepper and take a 7.62x51 through your skinny starving chest.
also, 100 is not needed, 18 is better. for our group at least, and the closest home as you like to say, is more than 1200 yards away with very little cover. good luck with the military link, pits and punji stakes while you are running up to the house as well.
you bring your 100, and I would be suprised if 10 make it halfway to the home.
I also have served in front line units, and I am not invincable, but you are going to have one heck of a walk to get to my state, then you are going to have a lot of fun trying to find me in millions of acres of wilderness.
I also know how to make booby traps, I also know how to make explosives, I also know how to keep to deep cover and recon, and how to make any attacking force looking for me pay dearly a long time before they come anywhere close to my compound.
You don't want to come anywhere near my family of pioneers and mountain men who are well armed and have experience taking care of ourselves through wars and droughts and fires and just about anything else. We have done it for centuries in my family history.
You raise some good points for the problems facing urban preppers, but those supplies you can easily steal will run out, what are you going to do then? Have slaves work your fields because you don't know how to raise your own food?
You can recon and raid all you want, but the supplies are finite and others will be doing the same thing as you. You will eventually run out of food and ammunition.
I agree that those living in densely populated areas face a different set of problems, and looters are high on the list, but do not discount the ability of people to band together to offer resistance to your gang of thugs.
In the history of WWII, even the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto rose up against the Nazi's. Sometimes it is better to die protecting your family than to live under the rule of a thuggish dictator.
If you go into this line of thinking, you aren't prepping, you aren't surviving, you are merely another gang of murderers and rapists, and good people will do what it takes to stop you.
Just look at the tribesmen of Viet Nam, or Afganistan or even our own Colonial Army. Just because you have a trained group of mercenaries does not guarentee you will be living high on the hog keeping your heel on the neck of the downtrodden.
Push hard enough, long enough, and you will end up hanging naked by your heels in the public square while people spit on your cold dead corpse just as Mussollinni did.
You are not invincable, you will face organized resistance, you will die from overwhelming forces as everybody else gangs together to stop your reign of terror.
Your plan works for attacking one prepper at a time to steal their supplies, that will only work a short time until others see what is happening, and stop you.
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