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I think that part is obvious to most. Too bad you appear to have missed my point completely.
1. The best way to avoid a gunfight is not to be there in the first place.
2. Identifying a threat's immenent ability to use lethal force is at the center of any defense in the use of lethal force even in states with "stand your ground" laws.
3. Those who go off "half-cocked" without clearly identifying their perceived threat to clearly have lethal capability (example: pointing cell phone rather than firearm) endanger the "stand your ground" laws for everyone. While legally the duty to retreat has been removed if one has the ability to retreat this is usually the better option.
Again, I am not an attorney nor am I a keyboard rambo. With freedom comes responsibility.
Learn from the examples given by the posters in this thread who have relayed their encounters where they called for LEO assistance and see what you may have done in a similar situation, do the same with news stories, play out scenarios in your mind as what could have been done better. Do you know multiple routes home, the location of LE stations along your routes, etc.... ?
Stay safe & watch six.
Your advice along these lines is right on target!
We all have the right to protect ourselves by whatever means is possible. According to our District Attorney you will not be prosecuted for using deadly force against someone who has broken into your house. All circumstances are different, I've thought many times what I would do if confronted by a bad guy who had just broken into my home. I've always thought I would use deadly force only if I was in fear of losing my own life and could prove that fear in a court of law. Shooting someone can't be taken lightly, even if they are breaking the law and stealing from you. You can replace what they steal, but you can't replace a life that is taken. The job of the police is to come to the crime scene, take notes, and draw a caulk line around any bodies, and try to determine what happened. It is your job to protect yourself so you are not the one laying inside the caulk line. If you don't own a firearm and know how to protect yourself, why don't you? In the 1940's I bet millions of Jews wished they had a firearm. As times get tougher and money to pay police is less plentiful there will be longer response times by the police. If our economy collapses, I don't look for many police officers to stay on the job for no pay. That being the case, you will be on your own. Know what the law is in your locale, and give some thought to how you can best protect yourself and your family. Sometimes we don't get a second chance to correct any mistakes we make.
Glad it turned out OK and that you now understand that the job of the police, despite their motto, is NOT to protect anyone, but to collect evidence after the fact, investigate and perhaps make an arrest some day.
Protecting oneself and family is a personal responsibility.
Does that mean I can shoot the bad guys? Or am I supposed to counsel them?
My teenage son likes beating the crap out of me. I've struck back---and wound up with CPS all over me. WTH was I supposed to do---stand there and take it? Essentially, yes!
I'm not supposed to strike a "minor child" although this kid is 6'4" and 200+ pounds. I'm supposed to "retreat to the nearest safe place and call police" Well, what if he has me trapped in a corner? Stand there and take it until I can reach a phone, then say, oh, wait a sec while I call 911? That's exactly what happened a few weeks ago, ds had me cornered and was screamin in my face, raising his fists at me. I managed to hook his ankle with my foot, causing him to trip, now I have a charge of child abuse because he broke his arm while he fell.
BTWE, I am disabled, but no agency seems to give a $hit about that, just oh, the wicked mommy, hurt her little boy! Oh, but this kid has inflicted bodily harm on me, nothing done....I get the impression cops think its cute!
1. The best way to avoid a gunfight is not to be there in the first place.
Granted, but that isn't always an option when THEY come to YOU.
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2. Identifying a threat's immenent ability to use lethal force is at the center of any defense in the use of lethal force even in states with "stand your ground" laws.
If you're more concerned with laws than your life, yes. In the time it takes to identify the exact nature of the threat, you've already lost the initiative, the "jump", on the bad guys. That's why you have cops shooting people who pull out their cell phones - because they're not willing to take that chance. When that adrenaline-dump takes place, you're hardly in a position to notice details.
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3. Those who go off "half-cocked" without clearly identifying their perceived threat to clearly have lethal capability (example: pointing cell phone rather than firearm) endanger the "stand your ground" laws for everyone. While legally the duty to retreat has been removed if one has the ability to retreat this is usually the better option.
Usually, but not always. There are times when taking the tactical lead is called for.
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Learn from the examples given by the posters in this thread who have relayed their encounters where they called for LEO assistance and see what you may have done in a similar situation, do the same with news stories, play out scenarios in your mind as what could have been done better. Do you know multiple routes home, the location of LE stations along your routes, etc.... ?
3 rapes, 2 assaults, and a knife at my throat when i was five. i watched my father almost kill two cops trying to get to the man (i never knew cops could fly he overhanded one into the wall) i then had to pull him out of a line-up. they turned him loose 3 days later. he sat and waved to me with the knife he held at my throat.
any one messes with me or my daughter i will track him down blow his balls off, tell him why and then blow his face off.
they do not protect me I do.
My teenage son likes beating the crap out of me. I've struck back---and wound up with CPS all over me. WTH was I supposed to do---stand there and take it? Essentially, yes!
I'm not supposed to strike a "minor child" although this kid is 6'4" and 200+ pounds. I'm supposed to "retreat to the nearest safe place and call police" Well, what if he has me trapped in a corner? Stand there and take it until I can reach a phone, then say, oh, wait a sec while I call 911? That's exactly what happened a few weeks ago, ds had me cornered and was screamin in my face, raising his fists at me. I managed to hook his ankle with my foot, causing him to trip, now I have a charge of child abuse because he broke his arm while he fell.
BTWE, I am disabled, but no agency seems to give a $hit about that, just oh, the wicked mommy, hurt her little boy! Oh, but this kid has inflicted bodily harm on me, nothing done....I get the impression cops think its cute!
No no your son needs to be gone! I'm so sorry this is not a good situation for you.
Depending on the laws of your area taking the law into your own hands just may put you behind bars.
And it just may be worth it.
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