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Old 07-18-2012, 11:11 AM
 
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If it erupted would it be possible to survive if you live in North America or will you inevitably succumb to fatal lung disease?

Would the debris block out the sun? What would happen exactly?

Defense.gov News Transcript: DoD News Briefing: Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen

QUESTION to FORMER SECDEF William Cohen

Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week's scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B'nai Brith.


A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we've learned in the intelligence community, we had something called -- and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.

So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It's real, and that's the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that's why this is so important.
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:37 PM
 
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Default End of America

Back in May, there was a topic 'What do you think SHFT will consist of, and how are you prepping for that? We discussed vary doomsday scenarios, including my own black swan.

As for Yellowstone:

According to the experts, a full-scale eruption of Yellowstone will destroy the entire northwest United States. Everyone within 100 miles would be immediately killed. A layer of volcanic ash at least 10' deep will cover everything up to 1,000 miles away, and some ash will cover all of America. Crops will be destroyed, and drinking water will be poisoned. Most of the U.S. will become uninhabitable. Flight will be grounded, hydroelectric and nuclear power plants will shut down due to the ash in water intakes. Satellite communication will be interrupted by ash clouds. Needless to say, our population would be drastically reduced!

Yellowstone might be the best known, but we also have Mt. Mazama in Oregon. It's post eruption collapse formed Crater Lake. It is currently dormant.

California has the Long Valley Caldera near Mammoth Mountain in eastern California. It still has recurring earthquake swarms and the central section of the caldera is continuing to rise. There are thermal springs and continued gas emissions. By the way, a road to be used for evacuations was named the "Mammoth Escape Route". The name was changed to the "Mammoth Scenic Route" after locals complained!

La Ganita caldera in Colorado is the largest caldera in the United States. It is 19 miles wide and 50 miles long. It is also dormant.

The United States has over 169 volcanoes. The best place I know of to check on our volcanoes is
Volcano Status Map
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Old 07-18-2012, 12:41 PM
 
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Back in May, there was a topic 'What do you think SHFT will consist of, and how are you prepping for that? We discussed vary doomsday scenarios, including my own black swan.

As for Yellowstone:

According to the experts, a full-scale eruption of Yellowstone will destroy the entire northwest United States. Everyone within 100 miles would be immediately killed. A layer of volcanic ash at least 10' deep will cover everything up to 1,000 miles away, and some ash will cover all of America. Crops will be destroyed, and drinking water will be poisoned. Most of the U.S. will become uninhabitable. Flight will be grounded, hydroelectric and nuclear power plants will shut down due to the ash in water intakes. Satellite communication will be interrupted by ash clouds. Needless to say, our population would be drastically reduced!

Yellowstone might be the best known, but we also have Mt. Mazama in Oregon. It's post eruption collapse formed Crater Lake. It is currently dormant.

California has the Long Valley Caldera near Mammoth Mountain in eastern California. It still has recurring earthquake swarms and the central section of the caldera is continuing to rise. There are thermal springs and continued gas emissions. By the way, a road to be used for evacuations was named the "Mammoth Escape Route". The name was changed to the "Mammoth Scenic Route" after locals complained!

La Ganita caldera in Colorado is the largest caldera in the United States. It is 19 miles wide and 50 miles long. It is also dormant.

The United States has over 169 volcanoes. The best place I know of to check on our volcanoes is
Volcano Status Map
Thanks for your input. What is your take on the second part of my thread?
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Old 07-18-2012, 03:55 PM
 
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Actually, I think that most of the world would be destroyed via chain reaction after a Yellowstone eruption. All of that ash floating in the air would cause a Nuclear Winter, create a whole new Ice Age due to the sunlight reflection away from the earth.

I totally believe that there are people working on all sorts of ways to cause a TEOTWAWKI event - some are just doing it because they have the science and understanding of the how and why - like with nanobots that can be inserted into bodies to destroy bodily systems, or that can even be released into the atmosphere to destroy things, even bacteria, that may be dangerous in concentration but that could, on a large scale be actually beneficial. Others are doing it with malice aforethought. The thing that most scientists and terrorists - especially eco-terrorists - fail to remember is the simplest law of all - the Law of Unintended Consequences. Ex. Scotchgard was a great idea for protecting fabrics from stains - but now there are molecules of the chemical composition of Scotchgard attached to most molecules, even in human bodies that have never come into contact with Scotchgard!

There is no way to "prepare" or "intensify our efforts" to prevent people from doing these things - unless you want to completely shut down every lab, completely outlaw all scientific exploration, and completely control everyones' lives. There are only things individuals can do to mitigate and minimize - within their own experience, knowledge, and abilities = the impacts of these occurances on their own lives. You can't prepare for any and everything - unless you save out just enough bullets for everyone in your family/group to ensure a hasty demise if necessary. Everything else leading up to that Final Solution is just guesswork - or endless stress, fear, and panic-mode operation.
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Old 07-18-2012, 04:32 PM
 
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There are certain events for which there is no need to prepare, other than having a Cerbera Odollam (suicide tree)--or equivalent--growing out back of the homestead, between the old outhouse and the blackberry thicket. I'd speculate that a violent Yellowstone eruption would be such an event. We'd probably be better off concentrating on events through which we have a better chance of surviving.
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Old 07-19-2012, 03:00 AM
 
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Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
Sorry but that is not technologically possible and now you've just gone off into tin foil hat conspiracy territory.
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Old 07-19-2012, 06:44 AM
 
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Sorry but that is not technologically possible and now you've just gone off into tin foil hat conspiracy territory.
We've had this discussion before; and it is possible. The technology is there, from seeding clouds to utilizing the seismic trucks (vibro-seis) that are used to pound/vibrate the earth to search for oil deposits to cause an earthquake. The logistics in utilizing such technology in effective ways are still prohibitive - most 'terrorists' want a simple and fast devastation to make their statements, rather than something that could take lots of money, accrued knowledge, and several years to plan, as well as be easily traceable and therefore stoppable.

But impossible? Nope. Anything's possible. Never underestimate the determined and tireless ability of cause-driven people to create problems to 'make a statement' - even if they destroy themselves in the process.
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Old 07-19-2012, 06:49 AM
 
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We've had this discussion before; and it is possible. The technology is there, from seeding clouds to utilizing the seismic trucks (vibro-seis) that are used to pound/vibrate the earth to search for oil deposits to cause an earthquake. The logistics in utilizing such technology in effective ways are still prohibitive - most 'terrorists' want a simple and fast devastation to make their statements, rather than something that could take lots of money, accrued knowledge, and several years to plan, as well as be easily traceable and therefore stoppable.

But impossible? Nope. Anything's possible. Never underestimate the determined and tireless ability of cause-driven people to create problems to 'make a statement' - even if they destroy themselves in the process.
But this guy is some random guy on the internet with a condescending alias that gives the impression that he knows everything about everything. He even knows exactly what happens when you die.

You'd be a fool to not think that this guy has more insight than the former SECDEF. You have to remember, the SECDEF didn't have access to wikipedia when he made that statement.
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Old 07-19-2012, 12:30 PM
 
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We've had this discussion before; and it is possible. The technology is there, from seeding clouds to utilizing the seismic trucks (vibro-seis) that are used to pound/vibrate the earth to search for oil deposits to cause an earthquake. The logistics in utilizing such technology in effective ways are still prohibitive - most 'terrorists' want a simple and fast devastation to make their statements, rather than something that could take lots of money, accrued knowledge, and several years to plan, as well as be easily traceable and therefore stoppable.

But impossible? Nope. Anything's possible. Never underestimate the determined and tireless ability of cause-driven people to create problems to 'make a statement' - even if they destroy themselves in the process.
No, it is indeed impossible to do the original claim of triggering earthquakes (of a meaningful size) or cause volcanoes to erupt. That's the nonsense. Yes, we do indeed use wave refraction to map subsurface formations but that's just really more advanced sonar for the land. No, sorry vibro-seis does not control volcanoes or trigger earthquakes on demand; that's the tin foil hat nonsense.
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Old 07-19-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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But this guy is some random guy on the internet with a condescending alias that gives the impression that he knows everything about everything. He even knows exactly what happens when you die.
Do you enjoy talking out of your backside and making things up? Please link to anything, absolutely ANYTHING, I ever said about after lives or when you die. Go ahead, I'll wait.

Or you could just admit that you are completely making stuff up, Del Boy. Some how I doubt you'll admit the truth though.
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