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Old 06-12-2013, 11:45 AM
 
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Wow! These foks are still going? I had read, and seen through wonderful pictures, the adventures of these yuppies trying to 'live off the land'...sort of. Trials and tribulations. LOTS of money thrown down the rabbit hole, and every conceivable mistake you can think of.

But, they are doing it! And good for them. It does highlight to the dreamers how much it can cost to live (sort of) off of the grid in a (semi) self sufficient life style.

(Ha! Just read a post above. Lisa...common sense? Uh...maybe no. But you guys do have stick to it tiveness...and it makes for great reading, and good pictures. But a little homeowrk, and some common sense, would have/will save you guys LOTS of money).

(OMG...just clicked on your blog link...had always followed you previously through CD...but it's been a couple of years.....and that new building.....near the road? What's with the shinlges OVER the rolled roofing? The shingles won't hold up with that little pitch--and a good rolled roofing by itself will work best in that application. And what's with that FIRE to get rid of your garbage? Thats a HUGE no-no. Get out your self sufficiency books and look up 'environment'. Poilluting by burning garbage and unused building materials a a HUGE no-no. Sheesh. Come on, commone sense or not, you should know better than that!).

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Old 06-12-2013, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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Barrier underlayment is not roll roofing. A lot of people only use that sort of underlayment for additional protection on eaves and valleys in addition to asphalt felt, but you can use it on your entire roof instead of felt. Both are manufacturer approved applications.

Asphalt shingles can be used on roof pitchs as low as 2/12 if they're installed per manufacturer's instructions. Can't tell if their pitch 2/12 or 3/12, but it's certainly within tolerance for shingles.

What do you recommend be done with construction debris? Bury it in the ground at a landfill? Leave it out in a field? The proper use of burn piles, burn barrels and burn boxes are the accepted (and approved by DEC) trash disposal method in many rural locations. These areas don't have huge populations or generate huge amounts of refuse, so the environment impacts of trash disposal are greatly reduced compared to urban/suburban areas. Our little country landfill won't accept construction debris other than what can't or shoudn't be burned (plastic, metal, asphalts, sealants, concrete etc)... cleared brush, felled trees, plywood & lumber scraps, paper and cardboard get burned, and if you leave there at the landfill despite the rules then they'll burn it anyway.
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Old 06-13-2013, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Back Home In TN…YAY:):)
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Barrier underlayment is not roll roofing. A lot of people only use that sort of underlayment for additional protection on eaves and valleys in addition to asphalt felt, but you can use it on your entire roof instead of felt. Both are manufacturer approved applications.

Asphalt shingles can be used on roof pitchs as low as 2/12 if they're installed per manufacturer's instructions. Can't tell if their pitch 2/12 or 3/12, but it's certainly within tolerance for shingles.

What do you recommend be done with construction debris? Bury it in the ground at a landfill? Leave it out in a field? The proper use of burn piles, burn barrels and burn boxes are the accepted (and approved by DEC) trash disposal method in many rural locations. These areas don't have huge populations or generate huge amounts of refuse, so the environment impacts of trash disposal are greatly reduced compared to urban/suburban areas. Our little country landfill won't accept construction debris other than what can't or shoudn't be burned (plastic, metal, asphalts, sealants, concrete etc)... cleared brush, felled trees, plywood & lumber scraps, paper and cardboard get burned, and if you leave there at the landfill despite the rules then they'll burn it anyway.
Thank you. You are right. It is an underlayment not a rolled roofing.

We have a 3/12 pitch on the roof.

Our county doesn't even recycle.
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:58 AM
 
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Barrier underlayment is not roll roofing. A lot of people only use that sort of underlayment for additional protection on eaves and valleys in addition to asphalt felt, but you can use it on your entire roof instead of felt. Both are manufacturer approved applications.

Asphalt shingles can be used on roof pitchs as low as 2/12 if they're installed per manufacturer's instructions. Can't tell if their pitch 2/12 or 3/12, but it's certainly within tolerance for shingles.

What do you recommend be done with construction debris? Bury it in the ground at a landfill? Leave it out in a field? The proper use of burn piles, burn barrels and burn boxes are the accepted (and approved by DEC) trash disposal method in many rural locations. These areas don't have huge populations or generate huge amounts of refuse, so the environment impacts of trash disposal are greatly reduced compared to urban/suburban areas. Our little country landfill won't accept construction debris other than what can't or shoudn't be burned (plastic, metal, asphalts, sealants, concrete etc)... cleared brush, felled trees, plywood & lumber scraps, paper and cardboard get burned, and if you leave there at the landfill despite the rules then they'll burn it anyway.

Code suggests, but does not enforce, that for a roof with a 3:12 pitch that underlayment be doubled, and that ashphalt shingles are marginal (not recommended for new applications) at that pitch. If anything, it is marginal, and why subject yourself to that temptation?

Especially in their location (East Tennessee) wind is an issue. 3:12 ashphalt shingles are just tempting fate when there are other more appropriate applicaitons.


The Tennessee DEC prohibits senseless outdoor burning. Specifically, that includes paper, cardboard, plastics, ashphalt, rubber, plastic, and generally, ANY construction debris. Isn't it just common sense NOT to pollute the air by burning things?

Sheesh. Come on. You guys are not dummies.
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Old 06-13-2013, 10:12 AM
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Code suggests, but does not enforce, that for a roof with a 3:12 pitch that underlayment be doubled, and that ashphalt shingles are marginal (not recommended for new applications) at that pitch. If anything, it is marginal, and why subject yourself to that temptation?

Especially in their location (East Tennessee) wind is an issue. 3:12 ashphalt shingles are just tempting fate when there are other more appropriate applicaitons.


The Tennessee DEC prohibits senseless outdoor burning. Specifically, that includes paper, cardboard, plastics, ashphalt, rubber, plastic, and generally, ANY construction debris. Isn't it just common sense NOT to pollute the air by burning things?

Sheesh. Come on. You guys are not dummies.
Yet it's okay to burn fossil fuel? Personally I'd rather get a whiff of her burning paper than a whiff of your car exhaust.

or is it that we shouldn't be polluting as long as you aren't inconvenienced?
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:26 PM
 
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Yet it's okay to burn fossil fuel? Personally I'd rather get a whiff of her burning paper than a whiff of your car exhaust.

or is it that we shouldn't be polluting as long as you aren't inconvenienced?
It's for the same reason that your wood stove is meant to have a system on it to sweep the effluent. My car at least has some devices on it to clean the emissions.

Her burning, in additional to being illegal for a reason, pumps pure pure filth into the air.
Construction debris...and things like shingle scraps....is simply the worst of the worst.

Every County in Tennessee has a solid waste disposal plan. If there is any uncertainly a call can be placed to the County and they will inform you how to dispose of unwanted materials in the most environmentally sound manner.

The fine for Open Burning is $25,000. There's a reason why they make it costly--and it's not because of the 'whif we get from her burning paper'.
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Old 06-13-2013, 02:38 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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Tennesse Rule 1200-3-4-.04, exceptions to open-burn prohibition:

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(1)(j)Fires consisting solely of vegetation, manufactured lumber products not chemically treated to prevent insect or rot damage, such as plywood, fiberboard, and paneling, uncoated paper and uncoated cardboard subject to the following conditions:

The site of such burning is not nearer than one-half mile to an airport, hospital, nursing home, school, Federal or State highway, national reservation, national or state park, wildlife area, national or state forest, and/or occupied structures except such structures as may be located on the same property as the burning site.

Priming materials used to facilitate such burning shall be limited to #1 or #2 grade fuel oils, and wood waste
Asphalt shingles, bituminous underlayments & plastics (both solid and in coatings) should not be burned... but I didn't see any of those on the burning brush pile in her blog photo. I didn't assume otherwise, since they seem to care about their property and the health of their animals.
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Old 06-13-2013, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Interior AK
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Isn't it just common sense NOT to pollute the air by burning things?
Here's the thing about common sense... the key word is "common". What may be common in one location is not common in another because the circumstances are entirely different.

In our location, it's common sense to burn your debris rather than bury it or leaving it laying about because doing so may pollute the ground and surface water; which is much more of a risk here in our remote rural area than air pollution will ever be.

Regulations that make perfect sense in densely populated urban/surburban areas, frequently do not make sense in low population density rural and remote locations... that's why there are exceptions.
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Old 06-14-2013, 07:54 AM
 
Location: Back Home In TN…YAY:):)
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Wow! These foks are still going? I had read, and seen through wonderful pictures, the adventures of these yuppies trying to 'live off the land'...sort of. Trials and tribulations. LOTS of money thrown down the rabbit hole, and every conceivable mistake you can think of.

But, they are doing it! And good for them. It does highlight to the dreamers how much it can cost to live (sort of) off of the grid in a (semi) self sufficient life style.
Sorry that one is too funny. Yeah yuppies that live off grid and not semi, shop at Walmart and thrift stores for clothes, live in the country, don't go out to eat and work our butts off. Yeah sounds like you know us well...not. Life is all about choices and we like our choices and love our life. Sadly not many people can say that.

I never denied mistakes but for all we did there weren't as many as most "every day" people would make. Not lots of money thrown away again since we didn't pay for schooling and didn't pay contractors. Our house still comes in a lot less than the mean average for a house in America and we did it ourselves. We have also sold off the old things that didn't work for us.



Thank you for all the positive posts. I appreciate people who are open minded and think outside the box. BTW, we didn't burn on our land. It was a burn at our grader's property where we had permission to burn.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Carolina on the banks of the Savannah
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come on now, from what you've said here, you pretty much get anything you want - whether its walmart or amazon, so whats in yer cart ?

and i reckon yall will be rv'ing the winter,right ?
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