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people with nothing BUT experience in foraging (the Indians) thought that winter SUCKED, cause so many died of the cold, lack of food, etc
You have spoken with indigenous people 200 years ago ! ! !
Must be nice to have such a time travel machine.
Though it makes me curious where you are talking about. In my region there are schools that teach survival skills. We have 'Guides'; these are certified and bonded guides who take hunting, fishing, sight-seeing parties into the woods. They house and feed the party for the duration of the trip. To be certified they must show they are capable of doing all of this via forage.
I suspect that whoever you spoke with 200 years ago, may have given you bad advice.
Today a person can survive from foraging. It might not be possible way up North, I am in Maine, down here we are South enough that is certainly is possible.
How far North are you? Are well within the Arctic Circle?
Today a person can survive from foraging. It might not be possible way up North, I am in Maine, down here we are South enough that is certainly is possible.
How far North are you? Are well within the Arctic Circle?
Even if everyone was an expert forager, there is not enough forage to sustain even a few % of the population. There is a reason why there were not so many Native people on the land, they were harshly regulated by Mother Nature. In a real SHTF scenario where there are food shortages and an indefinite food delivery system breakdown, most edible animals will be shot up pretty quickly - the foraging would be one of the only ways to survive (another is growing food but how many can do that?).
We have ample solar and wind power both industrial and residential.
Exactly what i was saying about Florida...imagine having a solar powered cottage somewhere on an island, how much power you could accumulate in the cells. You'd have your A/C (wouldnt need anyway surrounded with water to cool off) and refrigeration, and plentiful year-round seafood and even wildlife.
Even if everyone was an expert forager, there is not enough forage to sustain even a few % of the population.
I agree.
Currently in my region, maybe 1 out of 1,000 is a guide. I happen to know 6 of them, but given that I live remote in the woods, maybe that is reasonable.
If you are doing it, than you can do it.
Obviously you will never get a high percentage of people to go through the training.
Nobody said that everyone can forage. If you personally wanted to forage, you could learn, and then you could forage to feed yourself.
I live on former tribal land. I know a few dozen tribe members, all of them can forage. They were taught that lifestyle.
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Neither of us know what 'regulations' existed before European colonialists arrived. I have heard many times that the native population was very high here.
The only 'harsh' thing I have heard of has been what European settlers did after they arrived.
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I agree.
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... most edible animals will be shot up pretty quickly
Is there such a thing as an 'inedible' animal?
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... the foraging would be one of the only ways to survive (another is growing food but how many can do that?).
The question is not how many people can do it. The big question is how many people are doing it.
A seedbank of 1Million seeds sitting in a box, in a closet, does not equal a farm.
There are many learning curves that must be pushed through in the process. I am 9 years into that process now.
[quote=brrabbit;40659290]Frozen water is still water, one can melt and drink it. Rabbits and squirrels can provide you some additional food if you know how to trap them,as well as fish if you know how to catch it. /QUOTE]
Wait, how are you going to catch fish when your freshwater sources are frozen? Break through inches of snow to get at them? Like Eskimos? This seems like so much constant, laborious, miserable, exhausting work.
And I'd say that it's better to have a winter and shelter and water and hideout and forest (in my mind), than scorching sun and nothing but dust of a desert.
Because there are only the two extremes? In the whole U.S. I only know of a few places that would qualify as a dusty desert: areas of southern California, and the southwest region with parts of Texas, Arizona and New Mexico.
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As far as comparing to Minnesota to some milder climates like Georgia, I'd think that nearness to the border and less population is probably better than staying in the middle of USA where everybody might run for survival.
Because they won't all be running to the less populated states and the border, creating problems there too? And if you try to get across the border, what about the response by the members of a stable country bordering an unstable one? the phrase "illegal aliens" mean anything to you? You really think we don't deport a good amount of people who risked their lives to get here or that their journey is easy in the new country?
No, you're better staying put and avoiding that drama.
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And besides, everybody knows that zombies freeze and dead bodies don't create epidemies in freezing temperatures, that's one good reason to love snow.
LOL!!!! Dead bodies only create epidemics where there is bad hygiene. Cold weather also is associated with colds and flus, and a reduction in the immune system will affect your ability to collect resources and remain alert.
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