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View Poll Results: Things we want government to do:
Secure endowed rights and liberties 14 63.64%
Take over infrastructure 0 0%
Defend against enemies, foreign and domestic 14 63.64%
Take from one to give to another 2 9.09%
Demand our obedience and grant us permission 0 0%
Police itself 5 22.73%
Pretend to be impotent while demanding more powers 0 0%
Other 4 18.18%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-28-2016, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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BE PREPARED
FOR
DIRE CONSEQUENCES
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It doesn’t take a genius to recognize the signs of imminent doom. There are multitudes of divisive issues, that have fractured the unity of the American people. In addition, the treasonous public servants are conspiring to destroy American culture by the importation of the most destructive cult on the planet, whose espoused goal is the very destruction of the governments in these united States. Thanks to 83+ years of “glorious” socialism, government ‘taking’ from one to ‘give’ to another, Americans have been acclimated to a ‘benevolent’ totalitarian police state, complete with national IDs, masked anonymous “enforcers,” and liberty destroying rules and regulations. Worse, perpetual indebtedness to usurers (abominations) have reduced the nation’s productive prowess into a massive extortion scheme, skimming vast fortunes, while the people slip deeper into decline.

Ironically, the law says it was done with our consent. But you and I know that fraud, constructive fraud, threats, duress, coercion and withholding of material facts are behind it.

So let’s take the law at face value, and withdraw consent - from socialism, from usury and from voluntary servitude to the State.

Now what?

If sufficient numbers withdraw, there are many dire consequences - for the government. Reduction in revenue, coupled with a reduction in subjects to govern. This triggers a reduction in payments / bribes -and- an increase in taxes on the remaining donors - who might be even more inclined to “jump ship” and withdraw consent. This causes a spiral that implodes the socialist state. No more funds to pay entitlements, or even pensions! Repatriation of all men and material located in foreign military bases. (Without bribes, do you think those governments would tolerate us?)

In addition, as the number of “contributors” underwriting the national debt decline, the Federal Reserve Notes cease to be legal tender on the withdrawees. If enough leave, the FRNs cease to be fungible. This turns billionaires into zero-aires (or close to it). There is far too little bullion to support a hard money (coin) economy. Even if we deflate prices to match the bullion, the finite money token system would strangle trade - not good.

Instituting alternative means to facilitate trade (liberty money), via private promissory notes (or other means to track obligations) will only work on the small scale, within a community that can authenticate such mediums. But such a system does have a precedent - look at any coupon for ‘free’ items. That’s a private promissory note denominated in goods or services. It’s not “real money” (small print : cash value of 1/20 cent). It’s not a government privilege and thus not subject to an excise tax.

So if we’re savvy to the situation, we should be seeking to relocate outside of the range of MZBGs (Mutant Zombie Biker Gangs), establish or join a community who are wise enough to build a fortified village, engage in productive agriculture, and build prosperity - producing surplus goods and services, to trade and enjoy.

Hopefully, enough folks will successfully weather the collapse of the totalitarian police state, the demise of usurers, and the end of collectivists, as well as any other group that poses a threat to the American people, foreign or domestic. As long as Americans are guaranteed a republican form, and servant government secures endowed rights, it matters little what form the servant government takes.

The alternative is to suffer even more dire consequences, if we lose the republican form of government.
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Old 04-29-2016, 04:26 AM
 
Location: The Driftless Area, WI
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What level of "government?" If you mean the Feds, then "none of the above" is the only correct answer. They're commissioned by The Constitution to establish a post office, post roads over which the mail is to be carried, provide for the common defense against an outside enemy and to ensure interstate trade is unimpaired by regulatory barriers. Little else.

It is We The People who ensures our own Rights. The Bill of Rights was amended to the original document to protect The Public from the govt.
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Old 04-29-2016, 08:16 AM
 
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What level of "government?" If you mean the Feds, then "none of the above" is the only correct answer. They're commissioned by The Constitution to establish a post office, post roads over which the mail is to be carried, provide for the common defense against an outside enemy and to ensure interstate trade is unimpaired by regulatory barriers. Little else.

It is We The People who ensures our own Rights. The Bill of Rights was amended to the original document to protect The Public from the govt.
Endowed rights are protected under the republican form of government.
However, if one consented to their surrender, and only have privileges ("civil rights"), then one may need special assistance.

. . .
“It may be laid down, as a primary position, and the basis of our system, that every citizen who enjoys the protection of a free government, owes not only a proportion of his property, but even of his personal services to the defence of it, and consequently that the Citizens of America (with a few legal and official exceptions) from 18 to 50 Years of Age should be borne on the Militia Rolls, provided with uniform Arms, and so far accustomed to the use of them, that the Total strength of the Country might be called forth at Short Notice on any very interesting Emergency.”
- - - George Washington; "Sentiments on a Peace Establishment" in a letter to Alexander Hamilton (2 May 1783); published in The Writings of George Washington (1938), edited by John C. Fitzpatrick, Vol. 26, p. 289.
[... Every citizen ... owes a portion of his property ... and services in defense ... in the militia ... from 18 to 50 years of age... ]

The obligation to train, fight, and die, on command, is certainly a violation of endowed rights unless one gave consent.
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Old 04-29-2016, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Backwoods of Maine
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The obligation to train, fight, and die, on command, is certainly a violation of endowed rights unless one gave consent.
I predicted here, not too long ago, that the military draft would be reinstated, and that women would be required to register, and be drafted for combat.

Looks like I'm on track for being right about all this....
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Old 04-29-2016, 01:49 PM
 
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protect against force and fraud. that is about all government is allowed to do Constitutionally.
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Old 04-29-2016, 03:23 PM
 
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I predicted here, not too long ago, that the military draft would be reinstated, and that women would be required to register, and be drafted for combat.

Looks like I'm on track for being right about all this....
Women should have been obligated to serve the instant they were granted the privilege to vote and hold public office.
Otherwise, they hold superior status.
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Old 04-30-2016, 12:13 AM
 
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The obligation to train, fight, and die, on command, is certainly a violation of endowed rights unless one gave consent.
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Women should have been obligated to serve the instant they were granted the privilege to vote and hold public office.
Otherwise, they hold superior status.
A bit of a contradiction here, wouldn't you say? Unless of course, the ladies give their consent...
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Old 04-30-2016, 02:38 AM
 
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A bit of a contradiction here, wouldn't you say? Unless of course, the ladies give their consent...
No contradiction.
Citizenship is voluntary in the USA. If it was imposed, then all mandatory civic duties would be involuntary servitude - a violation of the republican form of government, the Declaration of Independence, and the 13th amendment to the USCON.
That women demanded privileges of citizenship without accepting all the duties, shows hypocrisy in their call for 'equality.'
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Old 04-30-2016, 05:29 AM
 
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No contradiction.
Citizenship is voluntary in the USA. If it was imposed, then all mandatory civic duties would be involuntary servitude - a violation of the republican form of government, the Declaration of Independence, and the 13th amendment to the USCON.
That women demanded privileges of citizenship without accepting all the duties, shows hypocrisy in their call for 'equality.'
Good point from the purely intellectual POV.

OTOH- what kind of a society have we deteriorated into when we demand our women act like men. Remember how we Americans laughed as the Soviets masculinized their fairer sex? Movies like Ninotchka come to mind.

There was the old joke "In America, women are like buses-- if you miss one, another will be along in a minute. In Russia, women are like buses....that's all. They're just like buses.

I'm not suggesting women should be excluded from traditionally male roles, but rather, that they should be given the option without fear of reprisal for their choice.

A potential pitfall from a universal draft: what about women with young kids? Are they to be given a deferment, but not men with kids? Or are we ready to have the govt raise those kids while their mothers are gone?

What's fair is fair. But that's not always a simple call.
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Old 05-01-2016, 04:24 PM
 
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Personally I think conscription would do the USA the world of good, it works for Switzerland, it works for Israel, it used to work for the UK (until they ended it in 1960).

Government should be as small as possible and maintain defense for its borders only not for police-actions around the world.
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