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I have a past in the military (Desert Storm veteran), I know my way around military action. I can operate and maintain most types of weaponry.
But now, I'm a civilian. So my priorities are different: I need to keep myself and my loved ones alive.
So let's say we are attacked by a foreign power, our military loses, the country collapses (OK, far fetched on US soil, but I'm relocation permanently to Europe soon, the Russkies are right around the corner). Me and my family are stuck in occupied country with a military power that is untrustworthy, has no concept of legalism and probably a pretty loose view on human rights.
As a military man, I would fall back to the first free zone I could find, regroup with the military/partisans/resistance and continue fighting. As a father, I need to be sure the women are safe from harm (rape is a very well known and often used weapon, especially by the Russians...).
How do I do this? I am armed, but I am no match for an organized military force. Trying to fight Russian infantry is the shortest way to get myself killed and my girls savaged. Fleeing seams to be pointless. Other countries are not that keen on refugees and history shows us that they usually get taken over by the advancing armies. Meanwhile, their properties get looted/destroyed at home.
I've done some research on this. During the second world war, those who survived the German occupation were those who remained below the radar. Don't provoke and you live. The Germans were a professional and relatively disciplined army, so as long as you were not Jewish and you kept your nose out of problems, they would usually leave you alone.
The Russians, well, those were different. They looted, killed and raped at will...
I have a past in the military (Desert Storm veteran), I know my way around military action. I can operate and maintain most types of weaponry.
But now, I'm a civilian. So my priorities are different: I need to keep myself and my loved ones alive.
So let's say we are attacked by a foreign power, our military loses, the country collapses (OK, far fetched on US soil, but I'm relocation permanently to Europe soon, the Russkies are right around the corner). Me and my family are stuck in occupied country with a military power that is untrustworthy, has no concept of legalism and probably a pretty loose view on human rights.
As a military man, I would fall back to the first free zone I could find, regroup with the military/partisans/resistance and continue fighting. As a father, I need to be sure the women are safe from harm (rape is a very well known and often used weapon, especially by the Russians...).
How do I do this? I am armed, but I am no match for an organized military force. Trying to fight Russian infantry is the shortest way to get myself killed and my girls savaged. Fleeing seams to be pointless. Other countries are not that keen on refugees and history shows us that they usually get taken over by the advancing armies. Meanwhile, their properties get looted/destroyed at home.
I've done some research on this. During the second world war, those who survived the German occupation were those who remained below the radar. Don't provoke and you live. The Germans were a professional and relatively disciplined army, so as long as you were not Jewish and you kept your nose out of problems, they would usually leave you alone.
The Russians, well, those were different. They looted, killed and raped at will...
What would you do?
I wouldn't relocate to anywhere in Europe. I take it you are moving to eastern Europe? I have family in western parts but don't even visit them now. I probably will never see them again unless they visit me here in the US.
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so long as you were not Jewish and you kept your nose out of problems, they would usually leave you alone
How does this keep your women safe? And what if you are a member of the new target group?
If your carrying all that paranoid baggage with you from the start, you will be useless when you have to act because you'll be playing off that paranoia. How can you make any intelligent decision when you already have a rambo fantasy scenario playing in your brain?
If you have military skills, the number one thing to do is extricate yourself before the situation turns hopeless. If you won't avoid the situation and you really think this will unfold as you fantasize, just have that emergency end-of-life stash of bullets and don't be afraid to use it!
I have a past in the military (Desert Storm veteran), I know my way around military action. I can operate and maintain most types of weaponry.
But now, I'm a civilian. So my priorities are different: I need to keep myself and my loved ones alive.
So let's say we are attacked by a foreign power, our military loses, the country collapses (OK, far fetched on US soil, but I'm relocation permanently to Europe soon, the Russkies are right around the corner). Me and my family are stuck in occupied country with a military power that is untrustworthy, has no concept of legalism and probably a pretty loose view on human rights.
As a military man, I would fall back to the first free zone I could find, regroup with the military/partisans/resistance and continue fighting. As a father, I need to be sure the women are safe from harm (rape is a very well known and often used weapon, especially by the Russians...).
How do I do this? I am armed, but I am no match for an organized military force. Trying to fight Russian infantry is the shortest way to get myself killed and my girls savaged. Fleeing seams to be pointless. Other countries are not that keen on refugees and history shows us that they usually get taken over by the advancing armies. Meanwhile, their properties get looted/destroyed at home.
I've done some research on this. During the second world war, those who survived the German occupation were those who remained below the radar. Don't provoke and you live. The Germans were a professional and relatively disciplined army, so as long as you were not Jewish and you kept your nose out of problems, they would usually leave you alone.
The Russians, well, those were different. They looted, killed and raped at will...
What would you do?
stay where I am, and stay unnoticed if possible, and if needed move to elsewhere. where, you will not find out.
If you have military skills and knowledge, then Europe may not be the place for you. Remember, Europe has one of the most strict gun control policy's in the world. That being said, your ability to protect yourself or loved ones becomes highly improbable due to these laws. As far as dropping back to "safe zones" and regrouping with a group of partizans, sounds like a few to many movies.
It's mostly a hypothetical question I was asking myself.
I'm moving to Western Europe, if you must know, and if the Russians attack, I'd be well out before they reach me. Especially with my US passport, I will be one of the first to get out.
This being said, I've spent the last months traveling through Europe, following the historic trail of the second world war, and I was thinking to myself how I would react to that kind of situation. In the western countries, the Germans did horrible things, but mostly to their "target" (excuse the insensitivity, if perceived). When I read the stories of regular folk, if they kept their head down, they usually stayed OK.
The Germans did unspeakable things in the east. But when the Russians came, it wasn't any better, on the contrary.
About the partisan thing: when you look at the history, there's always a resistance movement. If I had nobody to care about. I wouldn't just stay put and submit myself. I would fight, even if that meant getting killed in the process. I might be an old fart now, but I still have the knowledge of more than a decade in the Cavalry. At least, I could pass that on. Driving an Abrams is like driving a bike, you don't forget that :-). God, I miss them...
Now, I'm a (grand)father. I'm moving with my son to Europe. He has got a great job lined up for him. I've been widowed for years now, so I prefer to stay close to kids and grandkids, travel my *ss when I want.
So I was wondering what would be the best course of action. You know, to be prepared :-)
We were stationed in Italy for 3 years. While living there I attended a local lodge. Masonry in Italy is still 'hidden' as it was under Mussolini's National Fascist Party, and later under Hitler's National Socialist Party. They are very proud of their actions during WWI and WWII as the 'underground'. The underground was able to feed, and treat the wounds of Allied soldiers before moving them out of the war zone.
I really hate when folks make reference to what they saw in movies, as most often it is only Hollywood fantasy. However there are a few movies that I do reference at times, as they are documentaries about real events.
In this case, I wish to point out a few good movies.
"Defiance - The Bielski Partisans" a book later made into "Defiance" the movie in 2009.
'Hiding and Seeking' from 2004.
The Way Back (2010)
See farmers had rootcellars where they stored much of their harvest. When war came and fascists took over, they covered the rootcellar openings with livestock manure. When solders came to search. The soldiers would take every bit of food they could find, they would poke through hay piles, and search underneath floor boards. Very few urbanites would ever think to dig through shyte.
If you are ever going to begin giving away food, or if there is a chance that someone is going to be ransacking your home looking for food; I suggest that you have some food that is ready-service. Easy to find, and you can cry and scream when they take it. But also have more food hidden under shyte. Not under a blanket. Not in the crawlspace under your home. But underground with the entrance covered in shyte.
For reference to how an underground organization works, review the TV series Hogan's Heroes. It is a comedy done in the 1960s, many of the actors were WWII vets; including death camp survivors and soldiers. They made it a comedy, and masonry is in most episodes.
Exactly what I have been trying to drive home for some time now = CACHES.
I don't care whether they are stored underground, above-ground, or on the moon. Don't keep all your reserves in one place! And for gosh sakes, don't keep all of it (or most of it) in your home!
Exactly what I have been trying to drive home for some time now = CACHES.
I don't care whether they are stored underground, above-ground, or on the moon. Don't keep all your reserves in one place! And for gosh sakes, don't keep all of it (or most of it) in your home!
Someone made contact with the baseball, but it zigged and went into the stands instead of toward the outfield.
Yes, storing things below grade, covered with heaps of livestock shyte is a good move. Goose-stepping fascists with polished boots will never step in shyte themselves.
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