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Old 01-02-2017, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Cody, WY
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Yes.

We are headed for a chaotic period dead ahead. What's dying is Socialism - and not just here in the US, but in the EU and many other areas. The world in general is rejecting Socialism. But it won't die a peaceful death. Too many have been too brainwashed to see how destructive it is. It's their idea of utopia.

Expect civil unrest (more than we have already seen since the election), market volatility, unlawful activity, more terrorism (which thrives on socialism), poverty, unemployment, bank and corporate failures, violence. The Powerz that dream of a Socialist utopia will attempt to destroy the independence of people in order to further their agenda. They will fail. We must live through this, to preserve liberty for all.
Meanwhile the rest of us are too busy making money on our investments: long on DJIA index funds and puts on PMs.
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Old 01-03-2017, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Originally Posted by Nor'Eastah View Post
Yes.

We are headed for a chaotic period dead ahead. [YUP]
What's dying is Socialism - and not just here in the US, but in the EU and many other areas. [Socialism is genocidal - see trends in depopulation worldwide]
The world in general is rejecting Socialism. But it won't die a peaceful death. [True]
Too many have been too brainwashed to see how destructive it is. It's their idea of utopia.

Expect civil unrest (more than we have already seen since the election), market volatility, unlawful activity, more terrorism (which thrives on socialism), poverty, unemployment, bank and corporate failures, violence. [Double Yes]
The Powerz that dream of a Socialist utopia [aka "concentration camp"] will attempt to destroy the independence of people in order to further their agenda. They will fail. [Hopefully]
We must live through this, to preserve liberty for all.[and preserve civilization]
RIGHTS, PRIVILEGES, POWERS, IMMUNITIES

. . . Pursuant to the Declaration of Independence, Americans have Creator endowed rights that governments were instituted to secure.
. . . Under the republican form of government, Americans are sovereigns without subjects, and have none to govern but themselves.
. . . By your consent to be governed, you may aspire to public service and govern / rule others who also consented to be governed. But in exchange for the privilege, you waive your endowments and accept mandatory civic duties.
= = = = <<>> = = = =
• In America, if you have endowed rights, you’re under the republican form of government.
• If instead of endowed rights, you have "constitutional rights" (privileges), and mandatory civic duties, you’re under the constitutionally limited indirect democracy that serves the people in the republican form of government - by your consent.
• If you have socialist obligations, you’ve volunteered into the socialist democratic form, via FICA - again, by your consent.
- - - - - -
If you're sovereign, under the republican form, served by government, what more do you want?
But if you want to rule another, under the democratic form, that requires your own submission, so sit down, shut up, and obey.
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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Old 01-04-2017, 08:58 AM
 
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Love these types of "what if" questions. Hypothetically, if something huge was going to go down, this would be my plan:

- IF I have enough prep time to be able to get on a plane, I'd fly to the US Virgin Islands. I just feel the Caribbean is kind of a non-target, at least at first. So I would escape there and live off the land for as long as possible. There are many native fruits I could eat for sustenance without spending any money. I could also fish for food. If I meet some nice locals, I could hopefully stay on their land. If not, I'll go into the woods. There are remote areas even on a small island such as St John. The other nice thing about going to an island is it'll be easy to get to another island undetected. I could make my way through the Caribbean to South America and then maybe start heading south to Chile.

- IF I don't have enough time to get on a plane, I'll drive somewhere remote. My parents live in Connecticut. If I'm there, I'll head North towards Canada via Maine. I'll drive until I can't go any further. If I'm where I live in Atlanta, I'll either head South to Florida and then try to get on a boat to the Caribbean, or I'll head Northwest towards Nebraska/South Dakota/North Dakota/Montana. I'll try to stay in as remote of a place as possible, away from major cities.

- I'd take with me: my passport, a backpack worth of supplies including: water purification tablets, activated charcoal, nuts and emergency rations, clothes for all seasons, rain canopy, sleeping bag, survival blanket, gas mask, soap, first aid kit, matches, compass, head mount flashlight, batteries, knives, duct tape. Assuming financial collapse, I would only bring cash (no cards - I wouldn't want to be traceable anyways) with me but also would bring valuable items I could use to trade with such as water purification tablets, activated charcoal, and batteries.
Do you currently have any ties there?
If not, why do you think the locals will welcome you, an outsider, who will only compete with them for any limited resources?
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Old 01-04-2017, 09:28 AM
 
Location: ATL & LA
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Do you currently have any ties there?
If not, why do you think the locals will welcome you, an outsider, who will only compete with them for any limited resources?
I don't have any connections, other than knowing the island of St John really well.

One good thing about St John is most of the water on the island is from wells. So I wont have to worry about public water supply being affected. Will just have to worry about befriending a local who will let me have water and maybe fruit from their trees in exchange for helping them protect their house from looters.
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Old 01-04-2017, 04:14 PM
 
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I don't have any connections, other than knowing the island of St John really well.

One good thing about St John is most of the water on the island is from wells. So I wont have to worry about public water supply being affected. Will just have to worry about befriending a local who will let me have water and maybe fruit from their trees in exchange for helping them protect their house from looters.
Due respect, I have spent some time in the USVI and in the event of a major event bringing things in the lower 48 offline the Caribbean is about the last place I would want to be...absolute powder keg. Very little food is grown there, limited fresh water and a huge dependence on goods being shipped in.

St John, they'll be eating donkey and mongoose inside of three days.
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Old 01-05-2017, 06:20 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Meanwhile the rest of us are too busy making money on our investments: long on DJIA index funds and puts on PMs.
Any profits you make, you had better trade for useful goods and services, ASAP.

Why?

The imminent collapse of the "dollard."
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. . . . . . . . . .
http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs/currency_12773.htm
Q: How much U.S. currency is in circulation?
A: There was approximately $1.45 trillion in circulation as of April 6, 2016, of which $1.4 trillion was in Federal Reserve notes.($4,375 per capita )

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ..._United_States
". . . The financial position of the United States includes assets of at least $269.6 trillion and debts of $145.8 trillion to produce a net worth of at least $123.8 trillion."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_U...federal_budget
2015 Federal Budget $3.58 trillion (expenditures)
2015 Federal Deficit $ 438.9 billion (borrowed)
. . . versus . . .
$1.4 trillion in circulation.

https://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BUDGET...T-2015-BUD.pdf
2015 Federal Deficit $312 billion (estimate)
2015 Debt Service $252 billion (estimate)
2015 Unified budget deficit $564 billion (estimate)
2015 Gross Domestic Product $18,454 billion (estimate)
. . . versus . . .
$1.4 trillion in circulation.

Still, when you tally up the numbers, it is absolutely insane. How can anyone pay off a $145.8 trillion debt with only $1.4 trillion? How can anyone claim investment values of $269.6 trillion when such a sum does not exist?

And when the "music stops" your odds of "cashing out" your investments are not good.
$4,375 per capita is mighty slim.

But even if you DO cash out entirely, the paper money is worthless.

LEGAL TENDER STATUS
http://www.treasury.gov/resource-cen...al-tender.aspx
". . .Federal Reserve notes are not redeemable in gold, silver or any other commodity, and receive no backing by anything. This has been the case since 1933. The notes have no value for themselves . . . "
FYI : this is a violation of Title 12 USC Sec. 411, wherein dollar bills are to be redeemed ON DEMAND. But since 1933, the USGOV has operated under a perpetual "temporary" State of Emergency, and has ceased complying with the U.S.Constitution. (Art. 1,Sec. 10, regarding the requirement that only gold and silver coin "pay debt." Since 1933, most Americans have never "paid debt.")

And based on the worldwide supply of gold bullion, estimated to be 5.6 billion ounces, divided among 7+ billion people, it's also obvious that world trade cannot operate under a gold standard (less than one ounce per capita). Which is another reason why being "money mad" (and only making money) is unwise.

Prosperity is based on production, trade, and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services. If you don't have it, can't trade for it, can't make it, you will do without it, once the dollard collapses.

A man with a year's supply of money will not outlive a man with a one year supply of food. A man with a two year supply of food will be quite wealthy.
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Old 01-08-2017, 01:16 AM
 
Location: When you take flak it means you are on target
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I agree regarding the Caribbean. Living off the ocean is possible, but as Ewell Gibbons said, "An island is land surrounded by the need for a boat!"

I was in my mid 20's and we had a tiny little 26' sailboat and sailed the Caribbean. It was very seaworthy, extremely uncomfortable. Think of two people living in your hall bathroom with a 5 foot ceiling. We would see the rich folks on their yachts with real ice cubes in their sundowner drinks and be envious drinking our tepid beer.

Luckily they were mostly too old or lazy to scavenge and explore the offtrack areas and their boats were too big to get into the cool spots. Being poor underprivileged adventurers we lived off the bounty of the sea and land, as much as possible. Nobody else wanted to be bothered. Fishing to them was sport.

Mangos and bananas rotted on the trees surrounding vacation estates. I can teach you a thousand ways to eat and use coconuts and bananas and mangos. We knew were there were cisterns in empty houses to replenish our tanks when rainfall didn't do it. I have a photo somewhere with SIX lobsters on my spear at once. LOL

The problem in the Antilles is the indigenous population is racist. Crime is endemic. The "Pirates of the Caribbean" are real! And in a SHTF situation they would probably get downright nasty. There is nowhere near enough food onshore to support even a tenth of the population. Someone is going to get their hands on armed patrol boats, and anyone with less than a Coast Guard cutter is going to get blown to smithereens. Anyone with light skin will probably end up on a spit.

So, no. It's probably not the best place to go.

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Old 01-08-2017, 07:25 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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Sounds like a fun place to cruise with an armored and well-armed craft that looks like a yacht but fights like a frigate, post-collapse. Play music, turn up the lights, and wait...
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Old 01-08-2017, 01:15 PM
 
Location: When you take flak it means you are on target
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^^^ It's a great place to cruise on a yacht or cruise ship these days. But post SHTF yes, a Frigate would probably be a good idea. Heck with a frigate you could probably crown yourself king of whatever island you chose.
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Old 01-17-2017, 01:58 PM
 
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It won't be invaded, so the question is moot.
Who would have thought pre-9/11 that the twin towers would ever be brought down and the Pentagon attacked by people willing to hijack planes and fly them into these buildings.

Not a moot question. Unlikely to occur anytime soon? Yes. Will never happen? I won't say that.
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