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There is this idea afoot, that stockpiling food and guns is what everyone should do, if they wish to survive a long-term crisis. While it would be better for this country if more people did that, there are four groups of people who might be less likely to survive, no matter what they stockpile:
1) The Disabled, to include the obese, the insulin-dependent diabetics, the oxygen-dependent, those who need dialysis, those with respiratory issues like COPD or heart ailments, frail elderly, and the mobiliity impaired. Why: To survive, you must be able to move. People should be able to walk at least an hour, if transportation or gasoline availability is compromised.
2) The Government-Dependent, including welfare recipients, SSDI recipients, the poor, some minorities, alcoholics, drug addicts, those dependent upon prescription pain-killers or opiates. Why: Such people have a dependency mindset, are not independent of their addictions, or are so poor that they have very few options in life. Anyone who riots or loots will likely be taken out.
3) Anti-Gunners, Peace Types, Tree-Huggers. Such people live in a fantasy bubble. Usually urban liberals and women, they are typically in debt, addicted to trendy fashions, totally in denial that the world as they know it could ever change, are very PC, metrosexual, and antithetical to self-sufficiency. Why: They will just freak out (as many of them did when Trump was unexpectedly elected). They are emotionally immature, unprepared, spoiled, and unable to deal with adverse events that upend their lives.
4) Children, especially undisciplined children, whose parents try to be "friends" with them, allow them to run around and scream, spoil them, and never insist that they obey parental directives. Why: An undisciplined child, never taught to obey or follow instructions, may find that it costs them their lives. It's something like an untrained dog who runs into the street and gets killed. Children do not understand life-changing events at first,and should depend upon their parents for their safety.
Can you think of any more vulnerable groups of people?
I get it. Basically, anyone who doesn't have the same values and beliefs as you.
This statement seems to be more about your social political stance than survival strategies.
Absolutely not.
As far as I personally am concerned, anyone can survive, if the will is there. These groups I mentioned have individuals in them that are more vulnerable than the average person on the street. But these groups have shown repeatedly that they are either unable or unwilling to do what they need to do, to survive.
I keep going back to Katrina, as that incident uncovered heretofore unsuspected vulnerabilities in our society. Do you recall the elderly and disabled folks left to die in nursing homes? If wheelchair bound, they couldn't do a thing to save their own lives. Those who could walk but were too frail to walk very far, also succombed.
How about those who unthinkingly boarded the government-provided buses that transported them to the Superdome? How did they fare? I for one would not have wanted my wife or daughters in that place. I wouldn't have wanted to be there myself.
How about the folks trapped on top of their roofs, or up in their attics, in stifling heat, with no drinkable water available? Did they not hear the warnings to evacuate? Or did they just assume it would all be OK?
When we are presented with real-life examples of who uses sense and who does not, why is it ignored? I guess history has to repeat itself, and even then most will not learn. I don't see what politics has to do with it.
I really see much of the opening Post as a Total Dechristianized atitude, Seems to me a Jungle Law believer in stead of a Jesús Believer.
Do not take me bad, I endorse having a gun to defend my family, but ¿How many would use their guns to thieve the non gun families? thus to some extend it is clear to me that gun lovers are more dangerous than anti gun activists.
In an egotistical society of racial supremacists ¿how can there be peace without guns? ¿Shouldn't we fix the core problems of a divided society incapable of reaching a status of kindness and mutual apreciation rather than simply endorsing a balance of gun holders?
Minorities are getting armed to the teeth after Trump won.
Do not take me bad, I endorse having a gun to efend my family, but ¿How many would use their gun to thieve the non gun families? thus to some extend it is clear to me that gun lovers are more dangerous than anti gun activists.
This is not about who is more "dangerous". Most gun owners are NOT.
This is about who will survive, and who won't, or will have a harder time of it.
There is this idea afoot, that stockpiling food and guns is what everyone should do, if they wish to survive a long-term crisis. While it would be better for this country if more people did that, there are four groups of people who might be less likely to survive, no matter what they stockpile:
1) The Disabled, to include the obese, the insulin-dependent diabetics, the oxygen-dependent, those who need dialysis, those with respiratory issues like COPD or heart ailments, frail elderly, and the mobiliity impaired. Why: To survive, you must be able to move. People should be able to walk at least an hour, if transportation or gasoline availability is compromised.
2) The Government-Dependent, including welfare recipients, SSDI recipients, the poor, some minorities, alcoholics, drug addicts, those dependent upon prescription pain-killers or opiates. Why: Such people have a dependency mindset, are not independent of their addictions, or are so poor that they have very few options in life. Anyone who riots or loots will likely be taken out.
3) Anti-Gunners, Peace Types, Tree-Huggers. Such people live in a fantasy bubble. Usually urban liberals and women, they are typically in debt, addicted to trendy fashions, totally in denial that the world as they know it could ever change, are very PC, metrosexual, and antithetical to self-sufficiency. Why: They will just freak out (as many of them did when Trump was unexpectedly elected). They are emotionally immature, unprepared, spoiled, and unable to deal with adverse events that upend their lives.
4) Children, especially undisciplined children, whose parents try to be "friends" with them, allow them to run around and scream, spoil them, and never insist that they obey parental directives. Why: An undisciplined child, never taught to obey or follow instructions, may find that it costs them their lives. It's something like an untrained dog who runs into the street and gets killed. Children do not understand life-changing events at first,and should depend upon their parents for their safety.
Can you think of any more vulnerable groups of people?
Good List
Historically, through famines, plagues, invasions, it's always the aged, infirm, sick, and the young are always the ones that are first to go in a serious disaster. way it's always been.
The useless usually end up barely hanging on until their health is gone before they expire, or end up as slaves or puppets of some warlord.
I've always believed the human animal is second only to the cockroach and the coyote for being adaptable and surviving, but that is based solely upon the individual's desire to adapt and overcome.
Some can, some can't.
I wouldn't write off entire sections of people because how they act and react under normal conditions can radically change when they have no choice.
I agree, the majority of the folks in the groups you describe would be SOL, but the exception proves the rule.
I've seen emergency workers with years of experience, hard as nails, break down and lose it when they see a baby or a puppy that was killed in a wreck. They may have seen it before many times, and it never effected them, they did the job and were still be able to function, but everybody has a saturation point when it just overwhelms them.
The obverse of that would be some metrosexual clothes horse that has never done anything worthwhile in their life, in a disaster suddenly, selflessly, run into danger to save someone and be the hero. It happens.
Humans are infinitely resourceful and adaptable. People are stupid. If the groupthink kicks in, and there's no leader, they mill around and die.
If there's a leader telling them where to go, what to do, they can function pretty well even when in shock.
You can't bank on what will happen or who is capable of what until after it's over.
It's always about the individual, not the group. Groups die, individuals survive.
This is not about who is more "dangerous". Most gun owners are NOT.
This is about who will survive, and who won't, or will have a harder time of it.
I can tell that 100% of assaults and 100% of murders made by the use of a firegun were performed by gun holders... 100%
but the point is this the Lord didn't defend himself from crucifiction, didn't allow his apostles to defend him by the force of the swords, even when one of them had used it in getsemani,
Somehow living thinking that someone may thieve my food implies that I think it is an option to survive. That makes me a potential thieft if I feel myself forced to. Having a Gun would encourage anybody to give that step towards deliquency.
I can tell that 100% of assaults and 100% of murders made by the use of a firegun were performed by gun holders... 100%
but the point is this the Lord didn't defend himself from crucifiction, didn't allow his apostles to defend him by the force of the swords, even when one of them had used it in getsemani,
Somehow living thinking that someone may thieve my food implies that I think it is an option to survive. That makes me a potential thieft if I feel myself forced to. Having a Gun would encourage anybody to give that step towards deliquency.
Spoken like someone that will be a victim.
If you don't want a gun, don't get one, but buying into the socialist manifesto and making yourself vulnerable by choice isn't the best way to keep breathing in an emergency.
If you don't have means to protect yourself, you aren't a survivor in a disaster, your a statistic.
You do what you want, don't expect anybody else to adhere to allowing a possibly hostile force or individual to take advantage of that just because they're scared of a machine or a tool.
Jesus sacrificed himself for a higher purpose. Letting someone kill you so they can get your last can of beans is just wasting your life.
Spoken like someone that will be a victim.
If you don't want a gun, don't get one, but buying into the socialist manifesto and making yourself vulnerable by choice isn't the best way to keep breathing in an emergency.
If you don't have means to protect yourself, you aren't a survivor in a disaster, your a statistic.
You do what you want, don't expect anybody else to adhere to allowing a possibly hostile force or individual to take advantage of that just because they're scared of a machine or a tool.
Jesus sacrificed himself for a higher purpose. Letting someone kill you so they can get your last can of beans is just wasting your life.
In My house we do have guns, But we don't use them as if they were for making sports or to hunt, that is idiotic and is to have a mind of killer. Guns Must be preventive, but there are some assh... who take them like Commando wannabes, They only show that they are unemployee and that the only productive think they can do is to simulate to be in the side of the order...
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