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Old 11-02-2014, 06:38 PM
 
Location: 3 9 7 1 5 :D
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Old 11-02-2014, 07:18 PM
 
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Food stamps cost American tax payers $80 billion a year. Go ahead and shop at Walmart if that makes you happy, but you are not saving any money. You are just making the billionaires richer. You will pay them one way or another. At the cash register, or through your taxes.
Yes this is the standard union propaganda -- that low-wage, low-benefits companies like Walmart are costing the taxpayer money.

A powerful message... except that it isn't true. For one thing, these "studies" (yes, I looked up some of them including that Forbes article), which are written by left-of-center Democratic groups, conveniently leave out the taxes that employees pay. It's as though the United States Treasury would be richer if one million Walmart employees were unemployed. Obviously that's ridiculous and not true.

Walmart says their average hourly rate across full time and part timers is over $11. They offer benefits, 401(k) retirement, and career advancement. They are normal, average jobs, better than some places and worse than others. In a capitalistic free enterprise system, feel free to go work elsewhere, or start your own business, or don't work if that's what floats your boat, and become a parasite on the system.

Walmart claims their percentage of people on food stamps is no higher than in any other business. It's just that Walmart is so large, that the unions focus on them in particular. I tend to sympathize with Walmart, because the unions have a huge vested interest in telling whatever story and making stuff up to advance their cause, which is to take over every store and every business. Sorry, I'm not buying their party line. Why so many people are on food stamps has a lot to do with the overall sick economic climate these past 5-6 years. Under Obama (a Democrat, take note) there have been more food stamp recipients than any other time in our history. That's not Walmart's fault. It has to do with rising cost of living combined with poor business prospects and lack of confidence in the government to manage the economy (or at least leave the economy alone).

I feel no guilt whatsoever in shopping at Walmart's. In fact, as a result of this conversation I'm going to step up my Walmarts shopping. It's inconvenient because the nearest one is a good 30 minutes down the highway from home, but we'll just plan ahead better. Anyway this thread is past its shelf life. There's nothing more to be said, people have made good points on both sides of the argument, and recent comments seem to be just repeating themselves and ignoring the facts that were brought out earlier.
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Old 11-02-2014, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Fayetteville
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^Lol if your going to shop at walmart on principal over some dumb internet thread why don't you just buy stuff of walmart.com instead of driving 30 minutes out of the way.
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Old 11-02-2014, 08:48 PM
 
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^Lol if your going to shop at walmart on principal over some dumb internet thread why don't you just buy stuff of walmart.com instead of driving 30 minutes out of the way.
Thanks for the tip; will do that, too!
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Old 11-03-2014, 03:31 AM
 
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Snobbery and liberalism, not that I can usually tell the difference...
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Old 11-03-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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Welfaremart would love to have you all believe it's all about the unions, they're a perfect scapegoat or diversion. Bottom line is welfaremart takes but never gives. It's the biggest flaw of capitalism... it doesn't require any compassion. We citizens have to fend for ourselves and make laws against things like Anti-trust and illegal toxic waste dumping, otherwise there is no incentive for a company to do anything except seek the highest profit. Healthcare and other benefits are never going to make a company a profit. So, if Americans cannot get it through work it has to come from somewhere because sick and injured people WILL go to the hospital. Either we can demand the companies that take money from a community give back some to support it OR we can just tax the remaining money that community has.
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Old 11-03-2014, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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I hate Walmart because the parking lot is always full, it takes several tries to find a cart that's not bent or wobbly, the groceries are not any cheaper than the nice grocery stores. There is never anyone around to ask questions about a product, and if you snag someone to ask, they have no idea. There are usually several groups soliciting for things in front, which I don't like.
When I was a sales rep for a dairy product, I got to go back to the coolers, and the Walmart back rooms are very disorganized compared to other stores. When employees don't really care, products don't get rotated and they are mismarked. Of course, there are some full time employees who do a good job, but the part timers are a revolving door of uselessness.
I might go to Walmart once or twice a year, if I'm looking for something and its the closest place to get it, but otherwise I avoid it like the plague.
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Old 11-03-2014, 10:04 AM
 
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Welfaremart would love to have you all believe it's all about the unions, they're a perfect scapegoat or diversion. Bottom line is welfaremart takes but never gives. It's the biggest flaw of capitalism... it doesn't require any compassion. We citizens have to fend for ourselves and make laws against things like Anti-trust and illegal toxic waste dumping, otherwise there is no incentive for a company to do anything except seek the highest profit. Healthcare and other benefits are never going to make a company a profit. So, if Americans cannot get it through work it has to come from somewhere because sick and injured people WILL go to the hospital. Either we can demand the companies that take money from a community give back some to support it OR we can just tax the remaining money that community has.
Is that you, Elizabeth Warren?
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Old 11-03-2014, 10:32 AM
 
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Is that you, Elizabeth Warren?
Is that you Scott Brown?
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Old 11-03-2014, 11:03 AM
 
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Because they treat their employees poorly and don't pay them anything. And the quality of some of their items is terrible.
No kidding, I bought towels recently and every time I use them, more of the cloth strips come out and get all over the place.
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