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Old 09-26-2015, 06:00 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Originally Posted by Exitus Acta Probat View Post
Whilst shopping at Trader Joe's this afternoon, I saw somebody who was clearly not blind (no pun intended) and not experiencing PTSD, with a "service dog", shopping in the store.
Yeah I see these types a lot. Employees are always too under paid to say anything.
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Old 09-26-2015, 06:05 PM
 
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I prefer other people not be in the store at all.. but have as many dogs in there as you like..
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Old 09-26-2015, 06:25 PM
 
Location: southwest TN
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You are proving my point by equating dogs as basically the equivalent as humans. The fact is dogs in grocery stores or restaurants are a far greater health risk than humans.

The Food and Drug Administration's food guide lays down common sense rules: with few exceptions, live animals of any kind are not permitted on the premises of a grocery store, a restaurant or other food establishment. The prohibition applies to dogs, cats, birds and other animals. Animals are unsanitary, and the law protects the national food supply from contamination from dog drool, urine, feces and other material that dogs carry on their coats and paws and might leave behind on store shelves or counters.

There's no way my service dog leaves any contaminants on store shelves or counters. Her paws remain firmly on the floor and her nose goes nowhere near your food, unlike your germy hands all over the packages of meat or directly on the produce.


HOW DARE YOU decide that someone who is not blind or with armed service caused PTSD not entitled to be able to go out in public and to fend for him/herself!!

Who made your ignorant self the arbiter of what constitutes a disability?

I am neither blind nor have PTSD. I am deaf. Just how do you think it's safe for me to drive without my service dog? Ever see a firetruck whipping around a corner from the wrong side of the street through a red light no less? I did and was startled by it since I did not hear it coming and could not see around the corner as I was going through the GREEN light. That near accident no longer happens since my dog alerts me to sirens. Or how about the time I didn't hear the car horn as it came careening from behind me as I crossed a street - the driver believing that honking his horn was sufficient to alert EVERYone - he was wrong! Or the time I was the last person to leave a building being evacuated for a gas leak. I was totally unaware there had been an announcement to leave the building - a firefighter escorted me out since, I was later told, that several people had shouted to me to get out. Shouting at a deaf person does a lot of good, you know - oh wait, you wouldn't know and you couldn't care because they it's a handicap you can't see.


For all of you whose ignorance (notice I did NOT say stupidity - ignorance is a lack of knowledge) prevents you from understanding that, while some people may (and do) abuse the law allowing service dogs wherever the public is allowed, service dogs are far better trained than your very well behaved family pet. My dog is trained to go potty on command only, to keep her ears open for the sounds that you take for granted and to alert me to those sounds. She is trained to alert me.

For further edification, the ADA was amended in 2011 to further limit the Service Animal classification to dogs and mini-horses only. Cats are in the classification of emotional support animal and do not have the same "in public" rights as the service dog or horse does.

So before you go spouting your ignorance and thoughtless comments, I suggest you know what the actual situation is and take your umbrage and outrage over people who break the law rather than those who need the law.
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Old 09-26-2015, 08:47 PM
 
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Whilst shopping at Trader Joe's this afternoon, I saw somebody who was clearly not blind (no pun intended) and not experiencing PTSD, with a "service dog", shopping in the store. Such behavior is not appropriate. I do not care if somebody is sad, angry, tense, or afflicted with any other low level mental anguish -- we all have our problems and there's nothing so special about any person, with the exception of people who are blind or have been in combat, that they cannot walk about and shop in a store without their "service dog" -- the vast majority of people I've seen with service dogs were neither blind nor experiencing PTSD, and have probably been nowhere near any sort of war in the first place.

So could you people who payed a little fee for the little vest your dog wears simply knock it off (figuratively)? Like the rest of us, deal with life without the cutsie little dog, shedding its dog hair around food products. It's really uncivilized and nobody likes you people when you think you need your dog everywhere because your significant other got sick of your stuff and walked out on you or whatever exactly the little problem happens to be -- the rest of us deal with our problems and don't need a little dog with us 24 hours a day. Especially not in a grocery store. Thank you.
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I agree. The concept of an "emotional support animal" is completely bogus. A lie.

Dog owners are a selfish brats. I see them violating the law all the time. In Santa Monica, dogs are supposed to be kept on leashes at all times, yet they violate this law. And the cops do nothing.

I see these selfish brats bring their dogs into Vons and Whole Foods and Starbucks. Usually these dogs are little "toy dogs," more a kind of rat-dog.

If you're so emotionally crippled that you need a little rat-dog with you at all times, then you belong in a straight jacket. People that emotionally/mentally crippled should not be let loose on the streets.

And if you're not that emotionally crippled, then the dog is a lie. You're just a selfish brat (usually a woman) who WANTS what she WANTS, and so you buy a bogus vest and badge, or get some therapist to lie for you.

Unfortunately, the dog owners lobby is powerful. They pressure legislators to pass laws allowing them to bring their rat-dogs onto planes and into stores.

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^^^ Do bratty kids slobber and spread germs? You never know what's on a dog. Food and dogs are a bad combination.

But we live in a nation that suffers from a dog delusion. These days many dog owners have elevated the mangy/filthy beasts to be as important or more important than family members. As people have fewer kids and delay having kids to later in life, dogs are treated like the "new" kids. Pathetic.

The Dog Delusion – TheHumanist.com
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I've noticed this trend but I agree it's usually people that don't even have the service dog vest. It seems this trend has increased in recent years. I don't know what the official policy is . But I often see dogs at Target and in malls.

Some people are so attached to their pets that they don't view them as animals .
People should follow the store rules if the store only allows service animals .

I know what you mean though as had a family friend that tried to claim her dog was a service animal but I don't think she even had a vest for it and the supermarket told her she needed to leave . Some people think the rules don't apply to them though unfortunately .

This entire thread wreaks of ignorance; very sad and disturbing.

- Vests or IDs are by no means required or necessary, they aren't mandated by law.

- What the heck does this have to do with blindness?!? There are MANY disabilities out there where service animals help their handlers live complete lives. There are hearing dogs, diabetes alert dogs, and seizure alert dogs, where it would be IMPOSSIBLE to know that there is a disability present in the individual just by looking at the person.

- The only way you'd know for certain that a dog is NOT a trained service dog, is if it was acting out of control/barking/not minding its owner or his/her commands (in which case the owner of the establishment would have every right to ask the person to leave).

If you don't know anything about a topic, don't post on it.

And just a heads up: People are considerably more unhygienic than dogs anyway.
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Old 09-26-2015, 08:50 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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There's no way my service dog leaves any contaminants on store shelves or counters. Her paws remain firmly on the floor and her nose goes nowhere near your food, unlike your germy hands all over the packages of meat or directly on the produce.


HOW DARE YOU decide that someone who is not blind or with armed service caused PTSD not entitled to be able to go out in public and to fend for him/herself!!

Who made your ignorant self the arbiter of what constitutes a disability?

I am neither blind nor have PTSD. I am deaf. Just how do you think it's safe for me to drive without my service dog? Ever see a firetruck whipping around a corner from the wrong side of the street through a red light no less? I did and was startled by it since I did not hear it coming and could not see around the corner as I was going through the GREEN light. That near accident no longer happens since my dog alerts me to sirens. Or how about the time I didn't hear the car horn as it came careening from behind me as I crossed a street - the driver believing that honking his horn was sufficient to alert EVERYone - he was wrong! Or the time I was the last person to leave a building being evacuated for a gas leak. I was totally unaware there had been an announcement to leave the building - a firefighter escorted me out since, I was later told, that several people had shouted to me to get out. Shouting at a deaf person does a lot of good, you know - oh wait, you wouldn't know and you couldn't care because they it's a handicap you can't see.
Relax Annie. I never said anything about someone with a service dog. For someone deaf (like you) or blind, of course, the law justifiably makes an exception. And I say that as someone who really dislikes dogs. The law is correct to allow service dogs. It is the people who do NOT have special needs that bring their dogs into stores/restaurants that bother me. And it happens all the time in LA.
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Old 09-26-2015, 08:51 PM
 
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Whilst shopping at Trader Joe's this afternoon, I saw somebody who was clearly not blind (no pun intended) and not experiencing PTSD, with a "service dog", shopping in the store. Such behavior is not appropriate. I do not care if somebody is sad, angry, tense, or afflicted with any other low level mental anguish -- we all have our problems and there's nothing so special about any person, with the exception of people who are blind or have been in combat, that they cannot walk about and shop in a store without their "service dog" -- the vast majority of people I've seen with service dogs were neither blind nor experiencing PTSD, and have probably been nowhere near any sort of war in the first place.

So could you people who payed a little fee for the little vest your dog wears simply knock it off (figuratively)? Like the rest of us, deal with life without the cutsie little dog, shedding its dog hair around food products. It's really uncivilized and nobody likes you people when you think you need your dog everywhere because your significant other got sick of your stuff and walked out on you or whatever exactly the little problem happens to be -- the rest of us deal with our problems and don't need a little dog with us 24 hours a day. Especially not in a grocery store. Thank you.
Amen

I've noticed the same thing with "service dogs" at the library where I work.
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Old 09-26-2015, 08:53 PM
 
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There are a million and one issues more important than this, but I hope your rant made you feel better. :-)
If you view it from a larger context it most definitely is part of a larger issue. It appears a growing % of people think rules should not apply to them and that they're always the exception. Not a healthy trend.
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Old 09-26-2015, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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^^^ Do bratty kids slobber and spread germs? You never know what's on a dog. Food and dogs are a bad combination.

But we live in a nation that suffers from a dog delusion. These days many dog owners have elevated the mangy/filthy beasts to be as important or more important than family members. As people have fewer kids and delay having kids to later in life, dogs are treated like the "new" kids. Pathetic.

The Dog Delusion – TheHumanist.com
Spot on (pun intended)
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Old 09-27-2015, 03:47 AM
 
Location: West Los Angeles
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Amen

I've noticed the same thing with "service dogs" at the library where I work.
I'm sorry to hear that. At one time I worked at a book store, and when I'd finish working with lower shelves, I'd sometimes have dog hair on the lower legs of my pants. And sometimes I'd get it on my hands if the tail of somebody's dog had been rubbing against low books in the remainder section. We were told to not say anything to customers about this, despite there being a sign prohibiting dogs from entering the store.
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Old 09-27-2015, 04:11 AM
 
Location: So Cal
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I see people bringing dogs into stores all the time, but never with a special vest. They are just their pets, I think. I happen to like dogs so it doesn't bother me.

However, I thought I'd chime in on the topic of emotional support animals. My dock neighbor was treated with Luperon for prostate cancer and gets horrible hot flashes as a result. His cat can sense from 5-6 feet away when he's having one and goes to him and cuddles up to him. He (my neighbor, not the cat) says it shortens the hot flashes significantly. I was kind of amazed, but apparently it works.
I agree, hypocritical as it may be. I think, They can't bring a dog in here! Oh well, whatever...

And I think people are waaay to paranoid about germs. It's like we're all the Boy in the Plastic Bubble or something. Expose yourself to a few things and you might just build up an immune system.. No one ever used to worry about this stuff. Every time you turn around now, though, it's on the news, "Oh! You'll never believe what's living in your eyelashes!!! News at eleven!!!" Who cares? Whatever it is, it's always been there. It's called life...
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