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Old 06-18-2010, 08:19 AM
 
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Only 1 game in, but thoughts thus far ...

Impressive
Germany: tough, can beat you from the air or ground, fundamentally sound

They lost 0:1 to Serbia, so much for that
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Old 06-18-2010, 10:09 AM
 
Location: NYC & NJ
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Group C, which parts of the British media had dubbed E.A.S.Y (England, Algeria, Slovenia, Yanks), is now intriguingly poised. England could remain unbeaten and still not make the next round!
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Old 06-18-2010, 12:16 PM
 
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Yet another disputed referee decision, this time against the US team. Seems their winning goal was declared invalid for reasons nobody really knows.
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Old 06-18-2010, 12:26 PM
 
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LOL at some of the comments across the net. At least passion is better than indifference, so I'm glad some people are getting all worked up about today's game or the WC in general.

But let's not get carried away. Today, the USA was robbed. It has happened to everyone at some point or the other (what happened to Ireland was worse). At least it wasn't a loss in a knockout round, and the team can plausibly progress to the next round by beating Algeria. Football/soccer will always have a degree of human/refereeing vulnerability to it. Unless you want it to be stop/start, stop/start like say the NFL.
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Old 06-18-2010, 12:43 PM
 
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LOL at some of the comments across the net. At least passion is better than indifference, so I'm glad some people are getting all worked up about today's game or the WC in general.

But let's not get carried away. Today, the USA was robbed. It has happened to everyone at some point or the other (what happened to Ireland was worse). At least it wasn't a loss in a knockout round, and the team can plausibly progress to the next round by beating Algeria. Football/soccer will always have a degree of human/refereeing vulnerability to it. Unless you want it to be stop/start, stop/start like say the NFL.
So you are okay with complete incompetence.... this was borderline shall we say .....pre determined? This was not a "mistake"
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Old 06-18-2010, 12:46 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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Is there any scenario that would prevent the US from advancing if they beat Algeria? I'm not seeing one and there still seems a reasonable chance that they could get #1 seed if England ties or loses (today) and follows up with a win against Slovenia in game 3.

I guess if England were to lose out, that would knock us out even with a win against Algeria.
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:00 PM
 
Location: Cook County
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Football/soccer will always have a degree of human/refereeing vulnerability to it. Unless you want it to be stop/start, stop/start like say the NFL.
The NFL still has a ton of officiating blunders, even with stop/start and instant replay.
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:11 PM
 
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So you are okay with complete incompetence.... this was borderline shall we say .....pre determined? This was not a "mistake"
Where did I say I was ok with incompetence? I said we were robbed today. However, if you've watched football for a long time you'll know this stuff (refereeing blunders) happens. It's the inevitable outcome of having Human referees who usually have to decide in real time.

If you feel aggrieved now, you should try talking to some Irish fans.
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:22 PM
 
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Is there any scenario that would prevent the US from advancing if they beat Algeria? I'm not seeing one and there still seems a reasonable chance that they could get #1 seed if England ties or loses (today) and follows up with a win against Slovenia in game 3.

I guess if England were to lose out, that would knock us out even with a win against Algeria.
I'm not seeing a clear-cut scenario either. If USA beat Algeria, they go to 5 points in the group.
  1. If ENG beat ALG, they go to 4 points today. Along with SVN.
  2. ENG vs SVN is their last game. Therefore they both cannot exceed 5 points. Only one of them can win and go to 7, in which case USA qualifies #2 in the group with 5 points. If they tie, all 3 teams will have 5 points and it comes down to goal difference:
  3. SVN beat ALG 1-0 while other games have been tied, so SVN is +1 on GD right now with USA and ENG both on 0. However, either USA or ENG beating ALG by beating more than 1-0 takes them above SVN.
Bottom line: USA needs to beat ALG, and preferably by more than one goal.
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Old 06-18-2010, 01:24 PM
 
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Is there any scenario that would prevent the US from advancing if they beat Algeria?
If England beats Algeria then ties Slovenia. It would be a 3 way tie (I think). It would go to whatever the tiebreaker is which I believe is Goal differential in all matches. It would be bad for the US if England beats Algeria by more than a few goals and then ties Slovenia.

If England loses today and we beat Algeria we are in.

I think.

Edit, yeah, what GC said.
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