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Old 02-11-2011, 06:40 AM
 
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What sweeping generalizations are you referring to?

There isnt a more absurd generalization that has been posted in this thread than this statement by you:

"In terms of a blend of athleticism and skill- NFL skill position players and NBA players are the best overall athletes."

If I have to pick a team of athletes to go through a course of different ahtletic type events and survival is dependent on it, I dont know that I would pick any NFL and NBA players.

While wearing pads presents a challenge, I think just about any high school athlete could complete that task. There are guys on most high school football teams that are rather small and complete those drills.
In terms of a blend of overall athleticism and skill, it really isnt even close in my opinion.

Set up a combine for all the athletes that test speed, endurance, strength, agility, change of direction speed....I'd be shocked if an NFL/NBA guy didn't win. I'm talking American born athletes also. Obviously the best athletes from outside the United States do play soccer.
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Scotland
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In terms of a blend of overall athleticism and skill, it really isnt even close in my opinion.

Set up a combine for all the athletes that test speed, endurance, strength, agility, change of direction speed....I'd be shocked if an NFL/NBA guy didn't win. I'm talking American born athletes also. Obviously the best athletes from outside the United States do play soccer.
what has soccer players not got strength (maybe not as much), agility and change of direction speed?? there is probally some soccer players fitter than nfl/nba players and there will be some nfl/nba playuers fitter than soccer players, but as you say american, but if you take the fittest soccer players eg cristian ronaldo (plenty of speed) essien (tons of strength) peter crouch (ariel ability) messi (all round genius, no other word to describe him) then you see how fit the top pros are, i personally think all different types of sportsmen can be fitter, be it rugby, ice hockey, hockey or track and field all have to be super fit
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:56 AM
 
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In terms of a blend of overall athleticism and skill, it really isnt even close in my opinion.

Set up a combine for all the athletes that test speed, endurance, strength, agility, change of direction speed....I'd be shocked if an NFL/NBA guy didn't win. I'm talking American born athletes also. Obviously the best athletes from outside the United States do play soccer.
There used to be a show which did something similar in both the US and Europe.
Superstars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most of the US winners were NFL players, so it seems, whereas the UK/European winners came from a bigger range of sports. Personally I'd say a decathlete is the best all-round athlete, simply because of the wider range of skills he has to master compared to a single-sport specialist, plus the level of fitness needed to compete ten times in two days.
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Old 02-11-2011, 06:59 AM
 
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There used to be a show which did something similar in both the US and Europe.
Superstars - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Most of the US winners were NFL players, so it seems, whereas the UK/European winners came from a bigger range of sports. Personally I'd say a decathlete is the best all-round athlete, simply because of the wider range of skills he has to master compared to a single-sport specialist, plus the level of fitness needed to compete ten times in two days.
Sounds about right.

For the most part this is a pointless argument...everyone has their own definition on what the best athlete is.

To me, personally, I find what the top NFL/NBA guys can do as the most impressive. The raw speed/agility these guys have are unbelievable. Things that can't be taught.

And speaking of which, Herschel Walker wants to return to the NFL at 48.
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Old 02-11-2011, 07:01 AM
 
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what has soccer players not got strength (maybe not as much), agility and change of direction speed?? there is probally some soccer players fitter than nfl/nba players and there will be some nfl/nba playuers fitter than soccer players, but as you say american, but if you take the fittest soccer players eg cristian ronaldo (plenty of speed) essien (tons of strength) peter crouch (ariel ability) messi (all round genius, no other word to describe him) then you see how fit the top pros are, i personally think all different types of sportsmen can be fitter, be it rugby, ice hockey, hockey or track and field all have to be super fit
Of course everyone has to be super fit. I never said soccer players don't have those attributes, they definitely do, in my opinion though- the top NBA/NFL guys in the US would outperform the American born soccer players. The best blend of all those characteristics you listed above come from the NBA/NFL. Again, this is just my opinion. It's an endless argument.
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Old 02-11-2011, 07:54 AM
 
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I'm not saying that NFL players are bad athletes, but I have yet to see a premier league soccer player with his belly hanging over his shorts.

And you are right in saying that Soccer players do stand around sometimes, but not for five minutes or more at a time. In soccer all stoppages (standing around time & injuries) are taken into account and the referee will add time on. The fans get 90 minutes of action, not the 11 minutes that passes for an NFL game.
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Old 02-11-2011, 08:02 AM
 
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I'm not saying that NFL players are bad athletes, but I have yet to see a premier league soccer player with his belly hanging over his shorts.

And you are right in saying that Soccer players do stand around sometimes, but not for five minutes or more at a time. In soccer all stoppages (standing around time & injuries) are taken into account and the referee will add time on. The fans get 90 minutes of action, not the 11 minutes that passes for an NFL game.
I wouldn't consider a soccer game 90 minutes of "action" but to each his own.

As for the NFL guys- its the way the game is. Lineman are going to be abnormally large men.

The skill position guys(RB, WR, CB, S even linebackers) are in top physical shape.
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Old 02-12-2011, 02:16 AM
 
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By abnormally large men you mean overweight?
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Old 02-12-2011, 02:27 AM
 
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I've just recieved a DM from an NFL fan, he said that 56% of all players on NFL rosters are categorized as obese.
There are 500 registered NFL players who weigh 300lbs or more. Obese people are not fit people.
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Old 02-12-2011, 08:44 AM
 
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Like the poster above said...half of all NFL players are obese. Sure NFL has freak athletes, but it also has a surplus of guys with waves of fat rolls sloshing around on the field. You simply can't get away with that in soccer.
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