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Old 03-04-2011, 07:33 AM
 
Location: London, England
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In just about every league round the world they have this except for America.
Can someone explain and do you think it should be introduced?
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Tejas
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Of course it should be introduced but most people will argue the money end of it and dont want it.
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:18 AM
 
Location: Englewood, Near Eastside Indy
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Because this is 'Merica!
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:58 AM
 
Location: London, England
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Because this is 'Merica!

That really is quite a point.
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Because we don't have the infrastructure/sporting culture for that. Introducing it at this stage would effectively kill MLS, and we'd be at square one, again.

It is unlikely that MLS would introduce for a good long while, (decades), and even then, I still doubt it. And I'm more than ok with that.
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Old 03-04-2011, 10:47 AM
 
Location: London, England
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Because we don't have the infrastructure/sporting culture for that. Introducing it at this stage would effectively kill MLS, and we'd be at square one, again.

It is unlikely that MLS would introduce for a good long while, (decades), and even then, I still doubt it. And I'm more than ok with that.
Are the teams in the the lower league (ULS and that) noticiably lacking the skill of the MLS teams?

And how does a team get into the MLS?
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Old 03-04-2011, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Tejas
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USL is no differnt to MLS with regards to promotion/relegation if you compare First Division and Premiere League.

People are just to negative towards an actual competetive leauge. The groups SUCK imho and unless your team can is exceptional and is play at the top of the group its boring. A league with relegation would give great excitement to a league.

A team needs $$$$$ to get into MLS, thats the bottom line.
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Old 03-04-2011, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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Are the teams in the the lower league (ULS and that) noticiably lacking the skill of the MLS teams?

And how does a team get into the MLS?
MLS uses the franchise method. Basically, if an owner has 40 million dollars (I may be wrong on the exact amount) and solid plans for soccer specific stadium, then he can bid with MLS to start a franchise.

Teams in lower divisions have minimal fan support with little stability. Teams come and go quickly.

Having the franchise system is really the only way to grow soccer as a true spectator sport in the US. If we went to a pro/rel system, there would be no ownership groups, no money spent on attracting any actual players, the academies would all shut down, and soccer in the US would be set back indefinitely.

The reality of the US sports economy is that pro/rel is bad for MLS and growing soccer in America. Anyone who thinks otherwise is in fantasy land.
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Old 03-06-2011, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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I personally love the concept of pro/rel, but Fillmont is right. No owner who pays a substantial franchise fee to buy an MLS team is going to stand for his team being relegated. That model can only work in a nation where there is widespread fanatical support for teams. We're just not at that point in the U.S. We actually ARE better served at this point by having rich owners willing to pay a franchise fee and aggressively market their team. It would take several decades to have the tradition in place to make pro/rel a viable option. I say this living in possibly the most soccer crazy city in the U.S.

And remember "No pity in the Rose City!" - GO TIMBERS!
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Old 03-07-2011, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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I personally love the concept of pro/rel, but Fillmont is right. No owner who pays a substantial franchise fee to buy an MLS team is going to stand for his team being relegated. That model can only work in a nation where there is widespread fanatical support for teams. We're just not at that point in the U.S. We actually ARE better served at this point by having rich owners willing to pay a franchise fee and aggressively market their team. It would take several decades to have the tradition in place to make pro/rel a viable option. I say this living in possibly the most soccer crazy city in the U.S.

And remember "No pity in the Rose City!" - GO TIMBERS!
Yep. I hope you enjoy Kenny Cooper, he was a fan favorite here before his European Vacation.

The size of the nation is also an encumbrance to pro/rel ever really being viable. In Europe, leagues are based around nations that are much smaller geographically, with higher population densities, than the US.

If there were several leagues within the US, like, say, New England, Southeast, Texas, California, PNW, then I could see pro/rel being more viable. If San Antonio's team blows, then Lubbock's team comes in, etc. But with the size of the US, and how spread out everything is, then pro/rel seems fanciful.
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