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Old 10-20-2011, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas
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Cannot say how much I am against this. I want pro/rel in American soccer (don't see that happening anytime soon) and would hate to see that ever taken away in European soccer. If anything, lessen the amount of teams promoted and relegated - that I would be okay with. But, as was said above, most of the big owners are not in any real danger of being relegated anyway. Even if a club like Chelsea has a horrific year by their standards, they may finish like sixth or something anyway and be nowhere near 18th place and relegation.

To second somebody else, if they don't like it get out of English and European soccer. Heck, invest in an MLS team where the sky's the limit and you (unfortunately) don't have to worry about getting relegated. Of course there is that pesky salary cap, but if you are in it for the long haul, eventually MLS will get rid of its salary cap or greatly lessen its impact.
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Old 10-21-2011, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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The reasons behind why they want to get rid of it are the same reasons we will never have pro/reg in the U.S.
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Old 10-21-2011, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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Liverpool owner John Henry denies that foreign owners in the English Premier League want to scrap the relegation and promotion system. Richard Bevan, the chief executive of the League Managers’ Association, said this week that some of the American and Asian owners have been talking about ending the system.

But Henry called that “complete nonsense,” telling The Associated Press on Thursday it “hasn’t been discussed.”
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Old 10-21-2011, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Tejas
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There is a huge difference in the US and Uk. The US is Franchises and the UK is Football teams. You can do wahtever you want in the US, pretty good chance you can move a team and itll survive in a different city. Do that in the UK and fans will boycott, you will go down the tubes.
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Old 10-23-2011, 09:46 AM
 
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That's tricky dick statement there.

Both countries have TEAMS.

It's merely the organizational model. Historically, European teams have had a more organic origin and fraternal style of ownership with fans sitting on team boards.

If you wanna say something, try Franchises vs. CLUBS.

However, with the sheer amount of corporate money involved that has been diluted. I hear that is especially the case in the UK.

That sort of active fan participation on team ownership administrations only occurs with the NFL's Green Bay Packers, which along with revenue sharing is the only way that franchise can still exist in today's hyper monied market.

Anyways that's neither here nor there, fans wont put up with lack of pro/leg in Europe and ownership (wisely) won't commit to pro/reg in America for any time in the concievable future.
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Old 10-23-2011, 11:05 AM
 
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Ben in an ideal world I would. Scotland is different though, Celtic and Rangers DRAIN the rest of Scottish football but in England there is still quality sides outside the "big 6" and even sides in the Championship attract good players, the Championship is the 4th most watched league in Europe, a 2nd tier league!
Remind me ... how many teams have ever won the EPL?

hint: more than three and less than five.
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Old 10-23-2011, 05:17 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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Look Jaggy, the EPL is the best any country would give their right arm for a league as good, simple.
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Old 10-23-2011, 07:24 PM
 
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Look Jaggy, the EPL is the best any country would give their right arm for a league as good, simple.
Sure ... a league that only 4 teams have ever won and that is dominated by just one team, Manchester United. From, time to time a rich guy comes along and throws a ton of cash at a team and, just maybe, they can win the league for a year. Then the next year, normal service is resumed.

Outside the top 6 years it simply isn't that good and the results against other middle-ranking European teams show it.
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Old 10-23-2011, 07:33 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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Whatever you say Jaggy, the attendances and viewers speak for themselves.
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Old 10-24-2011, 03:27 AM
 
Location: Yorkshire, England
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After what happened in the Manchester derby (and Chelsea losing to a promoted team) I'm tempted to agree with Paul - when was the last time Real Madrid/Barcelona let in six at home to anybody other than each other? I'm not a fan of the whole "Get a foreign billionaire to throw a load of cash at a team and buy your way to success and to hell with club traditions" idea but at least those four teams who've ever won it has a good chance of becoming five. It will be very interesting to see if Man United can keep up such a phenomenal record when Fergie leaves - for the good of the English game, I'm hoping that they can't.

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