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Old 06-25-2012, 05:43 AM
 
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That is a lot of excuses as to why England loss. They just got out play by the more aggressive team, simple as that.

As I expected, it should be Spain vs Germany in the final and Spain take it again.
Nothing is that black & white...

Trust me, I am not defending England or saying that they didn't deserve get played off the field, but if anyone cares about improvement and trying to fix it, you have to look at the reasons I stated in my previous post, or England will never get better.

The fact is that many of those players CAN play football and can pass well and hold the ball up...they have been doing it for their clubs all season. Ashley Young is a classic example...he was great for Man United this season, but looked like he wouldn't be good enough to make the Gillingham reserve team during the Euros.

Another problem with England: any team that wants to be in line to challenge the best and challenge for silverware needs to have at least 3 world class players. As of now, England just has Rooney and he is hit and miss for England, despite being prolific for Man United.

Hodgson has a lot to think about as he prepares for the WC qualifying. If only England could go back to the passing game that good old Terry Venables started implementing, to great effect.
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Old 06-26-2012, 05:37 AM
 
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It bewilders me how England appointed Hodgson, they will get worse with him in charge. He is a defencive manager that does well at ''little'' teams where he can exceed expectations but if you want England to challenge for trophies then he shouldn't even have been in contention for the job, Redknapp anyone?.
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Old 06-26-2012, 05:56 AM
 
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I dont see England winning any title with Rooney upfront.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:03 AM
 
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What England's only world class player is holding them back is that what you are saying?! lol. Rooney would stroll into any team on this planet.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:29 AM
 
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What did Rooney achieve in Euro 2012? What did Rooney do in world cup 2010? What did Rooney achieve in World cup 2006???? A tired jaded forward who didnt score a single goal in all these three competitions.
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What England's only world class player is holding them back is that what you are saying?! lol. Rooney would stroll into any team on this planet.
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Old 06-26-2012, 07:43 AM
 
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What did Rooney achieve in Euro 2012? What did Rooney do in world cup 2010? What did Rooney achieve in World cup 2006???? A tired jaded forward who didnt score a single goal in all these three competitions.

Rooney scored in Euro 2012.

Of course he's tired though, that's one of England's main issues, all the players are tired. Especially considering most of the players on the team come from Man Utd, Man City, and Chelsea...each of which was playing hard right up until the end of the season looking to secure the title or the Champions League. They then are flown to another country and expected to play like Gods. I, for one, am glad they progressed out of the group, and won it at that. England just isn't strong enough, or deep enough, to compete with the likes of Germany, Spain, Netherlands, etc.

The main reason being that on the entire team, I could see 2 or maybe 3 players making it on a team outside of England (and I'm talking big teams like Real, Barcelona, Bayern, and AC Milan). Rooney, Hart, and perhaps someone like Young, Gerrard, or Cole (in their primes) could have made first team on an out-of England team. The rest would be squad players or be forced to play for much smaller teams in other leagues.

In contrast, the entire Spain team could basically walk into any team in the world and be guaranteed a starting spot. Same for Germany or Netherlands. Even teams like France, Italy, Portugal have a good number of players that could play anywhere they want to because they are huge talents. England just don't have that star caliber of player. They have some good players, that if they gel together can put together a string of nice games, but their not world class.

Who knows, maybe the next crop of youngsters will be better? But judging from what I've seen, it doesn't look too promising. I can't see England being led out with Carroll and Welbeck up front.
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:13 AM
 
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A lot of these teams play far too many games a season. If I were a manager of a club team, I would have my players focus on the domestic campaign and Europe if they qualified. Forget the FA Cup and the Carling Cup. I would put the reserves or marginal players in for that waste of time.

Every other year, the top players from top European countries will get at most 5 weeks off a season. Between the end of the domestic season in mid-May, the training with the national team and the actual tournament (be it the Euro of WC) and then they have to start up again in mid-July with the club team for the start of the season in August.
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Old 06-26-2012, 09:57 AM
 
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What did Rooney achieve in Euro 2012? What did Rooney do in world cup 2010? What did Rooney achieve in World cup 2006???? A tired jaded forward who didnt score a single goal in all these three competitions.
tired jaded forward? what's wrong with you? he's the best player england has and a starter in any team on this planet. But he can't do everything by himself. It'd sure be nice to have some great passes or crosses from the likes of a Villa, Xavi, or Schweinstiger coming in.
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:52 AM
 
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He falls at the biggest stage for his country. At club level he is badass though.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:35 AM
 
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He falls at the biggest stage for his country. At club level he is badass though.
All it would take is one tournament for him to change that assumption. Look at Ronaldo. He's always underperformed on the national stage, but one run to a semi in a Euro championship and Maradona says they should build a statue of him in Lisbon.
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