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Old 06-15-2012, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Soccer is to the rest of the world what basketball is to inner city America. This is especially true for Brazilians. I think they approach the sport with a certain degree of superiority and swagger the way that inner city kids from the South Side of Chicago do with basketball.


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That sort of hubris can obviously lead to their undoing. The U.S. Men's Basketball team was getting humiliated for a while in international competition. Even I have to admit that I feel somewhat irritated that we have to send top tier NBA talent to beat teams like Croatia, Germany, and Australia. It's like, "We just can't send our high school All-Americans to finish the job?" I think this attitude gets the best of the Brazilians as well.

 
Old 06-15-2012, 01:14 PM
 
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I was not arguing with him. I read his comment wrong and I admit that. Do you wont an arguement with me Bob or something.
no , im not a fan of long quees
 
Old 06-15-2012, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Elitist? You have got to be kidding me.
No, I'm not kidding. Unless you live in a metro area with a large Hispanic or African population, soccer leagues and high school soccer teams are almost exclusively confined to more affluent suburban areas and school districts. That's why you hear of "soccer moms" and never "basketball moms." The idea of soccer conjures up images of: (1) mothers escorting their kids around in Volvo station wagons in Bryn Mawr, PA; (2) Europhiles wearing Chelsea scarves getting hammered in Irish pubs; and (3) immigrants kicking a ball around on a patchy field speaking in a tongue you likely do not understand. As immigration increases, this is becoming less so the case, but that's still the perception of the sport in many places.
 
Old 06-15-2012, 01:33 PM
 
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no , im not a fan of long quees
Dont worry man, I will let you skip the queue but only because you are Irish.
 
Old 06-15-2012, 02:51 PM
 
Location: NJ
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No, I'm not kidding. Unless you live in a metro area with a large Hispanic or African population, soccer leagues and high school soccer teams are almost exclusively confined to more affluent suburban areas and school districts. That's why you hear of "soccer moms" and never "basketball moms." The idea of soccer conjures up images of: (1) mothers escorting their kids around in Volvo station wagons in Bryn Mawr, PA; (2) Europhiles wearing Chelsea scarves getting hammered in Irish pubs; and (3) immigrants kicking a ball around on a patchy field speaking in a tongue you likely do not understand. As immigration increases, this is becoming less so the case, but that's still the perception of the sport in many places.
That is just false. If you think only affluent suburban towns have soccer I don't know what to tell you. I guess you just need to get out more.
 
Old 06-15-2012, 03:07 PM
 
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That is just false. If you think only affluent suburban towns have soccer I don't know what to tell you. I guess you just need to get out more.
I bet the demographic makeup of soccer's viewership in the U.S. is not very different from the demographic makeup of its players. According to this survey, 30% of viewers earn over $100,000 annually, 32% are Hispanic, and 45% describe themselves as "white collar." The statement I made is not baseless.

U.S. TV Audience For Int'l Soccer Trends Affluent, White Collar - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal | SportsBusiness Daily Global
 
Old 06-15-2012, 03:21 PM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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Here's another article. The author says the following:

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Right now, the way the youth system is set up, you have to pay in order to play organized soccer with quality coaches. As you get better, the more expensive it gets. If you’re just starting off in soccer as an American youth, you’re probably going to join a rec. league. Here, you’re only paying a minimal fee to play, which covers uniforms and field maintenance. Let’s say you end up developing at an accelerated rate and you are invited to play for the local club team. You can expect to pay registration fees, training fees, tournament entry fees, and another sum for equipment. If you’re really good, you may end up playing for the state team or the regional team. Now, on top of all your club fees, you’re going to have to cover travel costs as well. In other countries, once you reach a certain technical level, the academies pick up the tab. There is incentive to get better and the process is more inclusive and accessible to more players.
A Treatise: The State of American Youth Soccer The Shin Guardian

This article does not make its point all that subtly.

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As most American soccer players departed Italy after their first-round elimination from the World Cup finals, the president of the United States Soccer Federation suggested that soccer in America must move to interest black inner-city youths and include them in what is predominantly a suburban white sport. ``The American player comes out of an upper middle-class environment,'' the USSF's Werner Fricker, told Reuters. ``He has never had to fight for his life.
Sports | U.S. Soccer Must Attract Blacks, Says Fricker | Seattle Times Newspaper
 
Old 06-15-2012, 03:21 PM
 
Location: NJ
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I bet the demographic makeup of soccer's viewership in the U.S. is not very different from the demographic makeup of its players. According to this survey, 30% of viewers earn over $100,000 annually, 32% are Hispanic, and 45% describe themselves as "white collar." The statement I made is not baseless.

U.S. TV Audience For Int'l Soccer Trends Affluent, White Collar - SportsBusiness Daily | SportsBusiness Journal | SportsBusiness Daily Global
Perhaps you think all suburbs are affluent. I can tell they aren't. And I can tell you soccer is played in lower class and middle class towns.
 
Old 06-15-2012, 03:22 PM
 
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Now you are changing your point.
 
Old 06-15-2012, 03:25 PM
 
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Perhaps you think all suburbs are affluent.
That's not what I said. I said that soccer appeals largely to the white and affluent most of whom were raised in the suburbs.

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And I can tell you soccer is played in lower class and middle class towns.
I never said it wasn't. However, I did post objective data on the composition of soccer's viewership and it largely coincides with what I said.
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