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Old 11-12-2012, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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Look up the average salary of an MLS player (barring DP's) and the average salary of a player in The Championship (forget about the EPL) and take a wild guess. Finances and depth alone would sink the MLS clubs.
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:06 AM
 
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exactly - the resources are different

what would happen to any EPL league team if you put a hard cap on their salary and cut them off from the league revenues - they wouldn't remain in the premiership for long

so if you plopped a team into a different league you'd have to assume they are now part of that league and open to all the same benefits of the people in that league ....... to carry forward all limitations just stacks the deck

you could take any of the big EPL clubs and put them in MLS and watch them fall back to earth if they had the same restrictions as MLS clubs (although their presence would bring a good source of additional revenue that would provide lift to the entire league with the way revenues are shared, etc)

the MLS teams wouldn't provide much lift to the EPL though - would be a steady entrance into the american market where many clubs are already working to promote visibility - but the benefit would be more marketing for a while as the american TV audience (where the real money rests) is just not that interested

it's like the NFL flirtation with london - good growth opportunity and one that the league feels is worth exploring, but expectations have to remain fairly modest

teams that can get the most talent are going to win more often than not ....... the #1 way to get that talent is with money ...... if you restrict a single clubs ability to gain revenue in relation to their peers it's going to have an impact - there are always outliers

it would be like taking a team from the Nippon Professional Baseball league in Japan and putting them into MLB, but freezing their payroll to the Japanese levels ...... would be very hard to compete and hard to get better - the highest spending japanese teams are about equal to the lowest spending MLB teams (may even outspend a couple of them), but even then the starting talent level is skewed and it would take years to shape from a Japanese team with a low MLB payroll to a functioning low payroll MLB team (basically relying on low priced farm talent under club control)

the highest payroll in MLS is a shade under $14M - only 2 teams pay more than $10M in salary with the bulk of the league having around $4M or less dedicated to wages

The average player on the manchester teams and chelsea makes well more than the average of an entire MLS team
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:08 PM
 
Location: Upper East, NY
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> so if you plopped a team into a different league you'd have to assume they are now part of that league and open to all the same benefits

Why? Anyone reading the question would default assume it is an issue of simply comparing the current talent levels.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:19 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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> so if you plopped a team into a different league you'd have to assume they are now part of that league and open to all the same benefits

Why? Anyone reading the question would default assume it is an issue of simply comparing the current talent levels.
some people right? ugh..simple question
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Old 11-13-2012, 03:42 PM
 
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too simple

what if you took a DII college team and made them play in the NFL?! .... what do you think would happen.

The question wasn't "if they had to play a full EPL schedule" it was "if you plopped them into the EPL"

If they were "into" it then it would change them ...... on the surface it's a really stupid and pointless question - MLS (or really and low level team) isn't going to compete in the top tier leagues

The nature of both leagues helps create an imbalance that couldn't be overcome ..... if your entire roster makes significantly less than the average of an individual player on your opposition it's pretty easy to guess how those results are going to skew over time
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:12 PM
 
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too simple

what if you took a DII college team and made them play in the NFL?! .... what do you think would happen.

The question wasn't "if they had to play a full EPL schedule" it was "if you plopped them into the EPL"

If they were "into" it then it would change them ...... on the surface it's a really stupid and pointless question - MLS (or really and low level team) isn't going to compete in the top tier leagues

The nature of both leagues helps create an imbalance that couldn't be overcome ..... if your entire roster makes significantly less than the average of an individual player on your opposition it's pretty easy to guess how those results are going to skew over time
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:15 PM
 
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your point?!

you don't like the way I answered the question ....

oh noes ... you ruined my interneting for the day....

feel free to answer or not answer as your heart desires

I took the liberty to answer in a couple different ways .... feel free to discuss or not discuss

This thread was essentially killed within the 1st 10 posts

1st by Crescent
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Relegation, no question. The salary cap makes it impossible even for the big money teams to field an internationally solid team top-to-bottom.

I would say MLS is maybe 12th if you ranked world leagues.
England, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Portugal, Greece, Turkey, Mexico, Netherlands, Belgium all have leagues easily better than MLS.
then by RJRobb

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No MLS team would make it in the EPL. I think the best MLS teams could finish top 10 or even top 5 in the championship if they had just a tad bit more depth to deal with the more grueling season.
There was no where else to go on that angle, so I answered it from a literal POV

A team in the MLS could keep the gate, draw talent and do well in the EPL if they had access to EPL revenue streams - however, given the nature of the popularity in the sport in the US that is not currently remotely possible .... until that dynamic shifts they will not be competative

If they could get in on that revenue sharing they'd do well .... if they had to rely on MLS revenues they would fall flat

Really not that complicated



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Old 11-13-2012, 04:34 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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do you have OCD or something Finger Laker?
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Old 11-13-2012, 04:39 PM
 
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I think the Houston Dynamo and LA Galaxy would stay up but still a bottom half team (15th-17th). Sporting KC would go down though.
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:57 PM
 
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QPR look like they are going down and they have players Houston Dynamo and LA Galaxy could only dream of. Granero, Park, Taarabt, Cisse, Zamora, Hoilett, Bosingwa, Wright-Phillips etc.
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