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Old 08-20-2013, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Miami,FL
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Rome, if I remember my history lessons correctly.
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Old 08-20-2013, 11:51 PM
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last seasons MLS Cup didn't get better ratings than the MLS Cup three years ago. And last season's MLS Cup had the LA Galaxy in it with the added storyline of it being Beckham's last game. It got an abysmal 0.7 rating.

MLS Cup Drew An Abysmal 0.7 Rating, Worse Than Third Round of Golf’s World Challenge | The Big Lead

when LA Galaxy was on Fox Sports West they never got more than 16,000 television viewers. That is shockingly low. From the LA Times:

Although the Galaxy has been the league's marquee franchise since signing Beckham before the 2007 season, it has not been a ratings winner for FSW, never drawing more than 16,000 homes, a .28 rating. In the last few years, ratings have dropping as low as .11%.
Galaxy to switch TV broadcasts to Time Warner Cable - Los Angeles Times

So when I say that the majority of American soccer fans do not support MLS I am not just making it up. I have the facts to back up that statement.
You're just talking about tv and completely ignoring the stadium attendance.

Yeah, an AGING Beckham past his prime who really didn't give a damn about playing soccer in a country where it's not the #1 sport. Seriously, every time he said "soccer" instead of football, you could see him throw up in his mouth a little.

The MLS has a lot to compete with, and that's just within the U.S. and Canada (btw, Canada is also involved in the MLS, please keep that in mind) with The Big Four. But you are focusing more on tv ratings than people showing up to the games in person. That's not exactly the strongest of arguments to say that no one is supporting it. Face it, in this country, soccer on tv isn't that big of a draw and it never has been. That does NOT mean that American soccer fans don't care for or support the MLS. The ratings for the World Series has dropped significantly over the years, so are you gonna say that Americans don't support baseball? The last couple BCS National Championship games had lower ratings than previous years, so are you gonna say that Americans don't watch college football? If you do, then you're lying to yourself...

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Old 08-21-2013, 12:32 AM
 
Location: Miami,FL
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You're just talking about tv and completely ignoring the stadium attendance.

Yeah, an AGING Beckham past his prime who really didn't give a damn about playing soccer in a country where it's not the #1 sport. Seriously, every time he said "soccer" instead of football, you could see him throw up in his mouth a little.

The MLS has a lot to compete with, and that's just within the U.S. and Canada (btw, Canada is also involved in the MLS, please keep that in mind) with The Big Four. But you are focusing more on tv ratings than people showing up to the games in person. That's not exactly the strongest of arguments to say that no one is supporting it. Face it, in this country, soccer on tv isn't that big of a draw and it never has been. That does NOT mean that American soccer fans don't care for or support the MLS. The ratings for the World Series has dropped significantly over the years, so are you gonna say that Americans don't support baseball? The last couple BCS National Championship games had lower ratings than previous years, so are you gonna say that Americans don't watch college football? If you do, then you're lying to yourself...
Que Que? soccer's not a big draw on TV? just read this World Cup Reaches One-Third of All U.S. TV Viewers
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:42 AM
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Que Que? soccer's not a big draw on TV? just read this World Cup Reaches One-Third of All U.S. TV Viewers
Alright then, MLS soccer isn't that big of a draw. But it takes time.

(BTW, that's the World Cup, dude. You might as well try to compare the ratings for the Super Bowl to a JV high school football game in Kansas)
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Old 08-21-2013, 02:14 AM
 
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You're just talking about tv and completely ignoring the stadium attendance.

Yeah, an AGING Beckham past his prime who really didn't give a damn about playing soccer in a country where it's not the #1 sport. Seriously, every time he said "soccer" instead of football, you could see him throw up in his mouth a little.

The MLS has a lot to compete with, and that's just within the U.S. and Canada (btw, Canada is also involved in the MLS, please keep that in mind) with The Big Four. But you are focusing more on tv ratings than people showing up to the games in person. That's not exactly the strongest of arguments to say that no one is supporting it. Face it, in this country, soccer on tv isn't that big of a draw and it never has been. That does NOT mean that American soccer fans don't care for or support the MLS. The ratings for the World Series has dropped significantly over the years, so are you gonna say that Americans don't support baseball? The last couple BCS National Championship games had lower ratings than previous years, so are you gonna say that Americans don't watch college football? If you do, then you're lying to yourself...
I didn't say that no one is supporting the league. I said that the majority of American soccer fans do not support the league. And this is true. All you have to do is look at the TV ratings for the World Cup, Euro, Premier League on ESPN, and Champions League, and you will see that there is a sizable audience for these games on TV. The TV ratings for these games give us a general idea on how many sports fans in the US are interested in soccer. Now, this is the game played at its highest level with competitions with the most prestige, so of course there is going to be a lot of interest in them. But, it still gives us an idea on the potential fan base for our domestic league. This is especially so with the EPL, which NBC just paid $83 million a year to broadcast. And you say soccer on TV isn't a big draw??

The fact is MLS has always drawn well at the gate. Americans have money and Americans like going to sporting events. But MLS's problem was that their product looked bad on TV. Most teams were playing in American football stadiums with poor atmosphere.So MLS's plan was to build Soccer Specific Stadiums so the league would have better atmosphere that could then get a TV audience. It hasn't worked. And the reason it hasn't worked is that most American soccer fans do not support the league. If they did then MLS would have higher TV ratings.

In 1996 MLS averaged 17,406 at the gate. In 2012 MLS averaged 18,807 (Seattle's 43k a game is responsible for that modest bump). That's not much of a difference.

To just answer your point about the BCS title game. That TV rating is entirely dependent on the type of game it is. When Alabama routed Notre Dame less people stuck around to watch the whole game. The Southern Cal-Texas game was the highest rated BCS title game ever because it was an incredible game. Likewise, Auburn v Oregon got a high rating because the game was so close.

So why don't American soccer fans watch MLS on TV? Do you have a theory?
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:34 AM
 
Location: Fairfax, Va
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You're just talking about tv and completely ignoring the stadium attendance.

Yeah, an AGING Beckham past his prime who really didn't give a damn about playing soccer in a country where it's not the #1 sport. Seriously, every time he said "soccer" instead of football, you could see him throw up in his mouth a little.

The MLS has a lot to compete with, and that's just within the U.S. and Canada (btw, Canada is also involved in the MLS, please keep that in mind) with The Big Four. But you are focusing more on tv ratings than people showing up to the games in person. That's not exactly the strongest of arguments to say that no one is supporting it. Face it, in this country, soccer on tv isn't that big of a draw and it never has been. That does NOT mean that American soccer fans don't care for or support the MLS. The ratings for the World Series has dropped significantly over the years, so are you gonna say that Americans don't support baseball? The last couple BCS National Championship games had lower ratings than previous years, so are you gonna say that Americans don't watch college football? If you do, then you're lying to yourself...
MLS is not all about LA and Houston there are other teams like Portland and Kansas that can get more audience than last years finalists
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Old 08-21-2013, 10:23 AM
 
Location: IL
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In 1996 MLS averaged 17,406 at the gate. In 2012 MLS averaged 18,807 (Seattle's 43k a game is responsible for that modest bump). That's not much of a difference.
Don't disagree with the point that MLS has a TV problem, but a few issues with the analysis here:
-Average Max capacity is 21K, so they are at 85% of capacity, which is pretty decent
-Chivas is a dog (goat) that doesn't help the numbers, that team should be killed
-San Jose is playing most games at a stadium with a 10K max cap.
-There were 10 teams in MLS in 1996 and in 1997 ave MLS attendance was 14K
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Old 08-21-2013, 12:28 PM
 
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Plus you cant take into account opening season, the more accurate figures were from 1997 with 14k avg after the bandwagon fans and the people who just wanted to see a game lost interest.
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Old 08-27-2013, 02:43 PM
 
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Plus you cant take into account opening season, the more accurate figures were from 1997 with 14k avg after the bandwagon fans and the people who just wanted to see a game lost interest.
I am trying attach my first photo, not sure if this will work...the number of MLS games has increased siginificantly the last couple of years and average attendance has increased.
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Old 08-28-2013, 01:39 PM
 
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I am trying attach my first photo, not sure if this will work...the number of MLS games has increased siginificantly the last couple of years and average attendance has increased.
MLS attendance has always been good. Even in the 90's when soccer had yet to make it over here. The attendance has gone up as expected. But what about TV ratings? Why aren't American soccer fans following the league and watching it on TV?
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