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Old 05-24-2013, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Calgary,AB
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Batistuta was an amazing player but an all time striker? Not in my mind. Eto'o, Raul, Henry etc are before him.
Was only an Argie 11 all-time, only Argies and probably it could be coached by HH, but before going to il calcio.

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Old 05-24-2013, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Calgary,AB
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You shouldn't put football players from before World Cup 1950 on the same list with the ones that came after.
Well , sorry but if u ask about Argie players, u should know that our best generation of players was in the 40's, when La Maquina played total football in a team in which Pedernera, Labruna, Losteau , Moreno and a young Alfredo Di Stefano played; probably there is the main difference between Brazil and Argentina, while the best Brazilian generation gave to Brazil 3 WC (58,62,70),there weren’t any WC in the 40’s or in WC 50 and WC54 we weren’t invited to take part of them, or is like Menotti says, Brazil used to produced in the 60’s the kind of players that we had in the 40’s.

We began to be a power house in the late 20’s, not surprisingly we played the 1st WC's final and at least 4 Argies (Attilio Demaria, Enrique Guaita, Luis Monti, Raimundo Orsi) were World Champions with Italy in WC34, and still many people in Argentina consider Moreno (1935-1961) like the best Argie all-time ; we were a power house some decades before El Maracanazo, and we respect every of our legends without making any distinction, sorry but that is the Argie way, if u wanna have a different answer u should ask to a non-argie.

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Old 05-25-2013, 06:27 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Well , sorry but if u ask about Argie players, u should know that our best generation of players was in the 40's, when La Maquina played total football in a team in which Pedernera, Labruna, Losteau , Moreno and a young Alfredo Di Stefano played; probably there is the main difference between Brazil and Argentina, while the best Brazilian generation gave to Brazil 3 WC (58,62,70),there weren’t any WC in the 40’s or in WC 50 and WC54 we weren’t invited to take part of them, or is like Menotti says, Brazil used to produced in the 60’s the kind of players that we had in the 40’s.

We began to be a power house in the late 20’s, not surprisingly we played the 1st WC's final and at least 4 Argies (Attilio Demaria, Enrique Guaita, Luis Monti, Raimundo Orsi) were World Champions with Italy in WC34, and still many people in Argentina consider Moreno (1935-1961) like the best Argie all-time ; we were a power house some decades before El Maracanazo, and we respect every of our legends without making any distinction, sorry but that is the Argie way, if u wanna have a different answer u should ask to a non-argie.

Generations in Football since the formation of FIFA:

1904-1926
1927-1949
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1950-1957
1958-1966
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1967-1979
1980-1993
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1994-2006
2007-

the first generation (1904-1949), football was played much different (less athletic, lower pace, worse grass quality etc. etc.)
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Old 05-25-2013, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Calgary,AB
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Generations in Football since the formation of FIFA:

1904-1926
1927-1949
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1950-1957
1958-1966
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1967-1979
1980-1993
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1994-2006
2007-

the first generation (1904-1949), football was played much different (less athletic, lower pace, worse grass quality etc. etc.)
If u think that , well I respect ur opinion, honestly Zamora, Leonidas and Scarone are among my favourite players all-time, but is that just my opinion.

Off topìc , which do you consider are the main football rivalries in your country?

In Argentina our main are :

El Superclásico : Boca vs River Plate
El Clásico de Avellaneda : Racing Club vs Independiente
El clásico de Barrio : Huracan vs San Lorenzo
El Clásico Rosarino : Rosario Central vs Newell's Old Boys
El Clásico Platense : Estudiantes de la Plata vs Gimnasia y Esgrima
El Clásico del Oeste :Velez Sarsfield vs Ferrocarril Oeste
El Clásico Santafesino : Colon vs Union de Santa Fe
El Clásico Cordobes : Belgrano vsTalleres

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Old 05-25-2013, 02:29 PM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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Off topìc , which do you consider are the main football rivalries in your country?

In Argentina our main are :

El Superclásico : Boca vs River Plate
El Clásico de Avellaneda : Racing Club vs Independiente
El clásico de Barrio : Huracan vs San Lorenzo
El Clásico Rosarino : Rosario Central vs Newell's Old Boys
El Clásico Platense : Estudiantes de la Plata vs Gimnasia y Esgrima
El Clásico del Oeste :Velez Sarsfield vs Ferrocarril Oeste
El Clásico Santafesino : Colon vs Union de Santa Fe
El Clásico Cordobes : Belgrano vsTalleres
Only counting the main football rivalries in the Dutch Eredivisie (highest level)...

De Klassieker: Ajax vs Feyenoord
De Topper: PSV vs Ajax
De Gelderse Derby: Vitesse vs NEC
De Twentse Derby: Twente vs Heracles
Derby van het Noorden: Heerenveen vs Groningen
De Friese Derby: Heerenveen vs Cambuur
De Ijsselderby: PEC Zwolle vs Go Ahead Eagles
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Old 05-26-2013, 03:05 PM
 
Location: Calgary,AB
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wow, honeslty I only knew 4 of them , thanks for ur insight outside Argentina, the followings are the main rivalries in South America:

Bolivia:
Clasico Paceño : Bolivar vs The Strongest
Clasico Cruceño : Blooming vs Oriente Petrolero
Clasico de la Llajta: Willsterman vs Aurora

Brazil :
Derby Mineiro: Cruzeiro vs Atletico Mineiro
Clásico Albinegro: Botafogo vs Vasco Da Gama
Fla-Flu: Flamengo vs Fluminense
Grenal: Gremio vs Internacional
Derby Paulista: Corinthians vs Palmeiras
San-São: Santos vs São Paulo

Chili :

Clasico del futbol Chileno: Colo Colo vs Universidad de Chile
Clasico Universitario : Universidad Catolica vs Universidad de Chile
Clasico Porteño : Everton vs Santiago Wanderers
Clasico de Colonias: Audax Italiano vs Union Española

Colombia:
Clasico Bogotano : Santa Fe vs Millonarios
Clasico Costeño: Junior vs Union Magdalena
Clasico Vallecaucano : America de Cali vs Deportivo Cali
Clasico Paisa: Idependiente Medellin vs Atletico Nacional

Ecuador:
Clasico Ambateño:Macara vs Tecnico Universitario
Clasico del Astillero : Emelec vs Barcelona
Clasico Interandino: Ambato vs Riobamba
Superclasico de Quito: Liga de Quito vs Aucas

Paraguay:
Clasico del Futbol Paraguayo: Olimpia vs Cerro Porteño
Clasico mas añejo : Olimpia vs Guarani
Clasico Blanco y Negro: Olimpia vs Libertad
Clasico de Vecindario: Cerro Porteño vs Nacional

Peru:
Clasico del futbol Peruano: Alianza Lima vs Universitario
Clasico Limeño: Alianza Lima vs Sporting Cristal
Clasico Porteño: Sport Boys vs Atketico Chalaco
Clasico del Sur : Melgar vs Cienciano
Clasico del Cuzco: Cienciano vs Garcilaso

Uruguay:
El Superclasico: Nacional vs Peñarol
El Clasico de los chicos: Danubio vs Defensor Sporting
El Clasico de la Villa: Cerro vs Rampla Juniors
El Clasico del Prado : Rovber Plate vs Wanderers

Venezuela:
El Clasico del futbol Venezolano:Caracas vs Deportivo Tachira
El Clasico de los Andes: Estudiantes de Merida vs Deportivo Tachira
El Clasico Oriental: Monagas vs Deportivo Anzoategui

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Old 05-27-2013, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Calgary,AB
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[quote=boycee;29428955]Maradonna is famous because he robbed us with his hand at a world cup .
But seriously one of the greatest to ever play.




There is an anecdote about his second goal in that game, some years before, more specifically in 1980, Diego made the same 'rush' for goal at Wembley in a friendly against England, but had shot wide rather than go around goalkeeper Ray Clemence. His brother had called him after that game to say he should have rounded the keeper. So Maradona was merely putting his brother's advice into practice.


This is the link in YouTube for the resume of the match played in 1980


maradona vs england 1980 - YouTube


and this is his 2nd goal against England in WC 86



Maradona Goal V England 1986.Goal impossible - YouTube
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Old 05-31-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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Maradona is famous for the Hand of God goal in the world cup. Has he ever confessed he did a hands ball? LoL.
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