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Old 06-01-2013, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Scotland
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Exactly a city like New York should have teams in different areas to strike up a rivalry. If London can support 25+ teams I am sure New York can support two. My city, of 150,000, has two well supported, in Scottish terms, top tier clubs.

 
Old 06-01-2013, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Tejas
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Theres a difference in a City that has a history for the sport, the US doesnt even have a history with Football forget the City.
 
Old 06-01-2013, 05:34 PM
 
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Theres a difference in a City that has a history for the sport, the US doesnt even have a history with Football forget the City.
and London didn't have a history with the sport when their clubs were formed.

If you never form the clubs then you won't get the support.

club football is about reaching into the community for support and for supporters to identify with the club. It's not about plopping down a "franchise" (blech), calling it New York, and then hoping they come through the turnstiles.

This is why the MLS has not been successful in getting fans interested. They have a very North American view of the global game. They think they can operate a soccer league just like its the NFL and it will be successful. It won't.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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Now that the MLS will have 20 teams, I wonder how long will it be before the MLS creates divisions. This is how I would divide the teams.

Eastern Conference:
Atlantic Division
D.C. United
New England Revolution
New York Cosmos FC
New York Red Bulls
Philadelphia Union

North Division
Chicago Fire
Columbus Crew
Montreal Impact
Sporting Kansas City
Toronto FC

Western Conference
Southwest Division
C.D. Chivas USA
FC Dallas
Houston Dynamo
Los Angeles Galaxy
San Jose Earthquakes

Northwest Division
Colorado Rapids
Portland Timbers
Real Salt Lake
Seattle Sounders FC
Vancouver Whitecaps FC

Why would they do that? It's not going to happen. It will remain two conferences.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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This is a bad move by the MLS, imo. The Red Bulls are going to take a big hit in their fan base and I am going to guess their attendance will drop even further than it has.

The MLS should have added a team in a new market, not an existing one. Look at how bad the attendance numbers are for Chivas. Averaging a little over 8,000 a game. No American city is ready for 2 MLS teams.

That's incorrect. RBNY is going to benefit from this a lot. Having a franchise with the Yankees and Man City behind it inside NYC proper is going to do amazing things from MLS exposure in the NYC Metro Area. Exposure for the league to people is good for the Red Bulls.

The Red Bulls suffer from years of mis-management and poor planning. Many of the original MLS teams and subsequently their market and target fanbase went through the early years which for any business has struggles and hurts things. Very few of the original MLS franchises were able to find success early in developing loyal fans.

The expansion teams over the last several years had the advantage of learning from all those mistakes and because of that along with solid ownership groups have been able to have success immediately. NYFC will be no different, especially with the economic backing they have. Because of that, NYFC will be wildly successful and that will lead to success (at least in filling the seats) for NYRB because you will have people who dont like the Yankees, dont like Man City, or just dont want to do the "cool thing" and back the Red Bulls.

This move is great for MLS and will do wonders for the next TV contract which benefits the league as a whole.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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and London didn't have a history with the sport when their clubs were formed.

If you never form the clubs then you won't get the support.

club football is about reaching into the community for support and for supporters to identify with the club. It's not about plopping down a "franchise" (blech), calling it New York, and then hoping they come through the turnstiles.
Please explain how you form the "clubs" you're talking about?

They arent "plopping" down anything. They are business owners opening up a business. Guess what? Those European teams you think are so different are businesses too. There are very few actual clubs that are literally fan owned. That model just isnt possible in the current economic system. You have to have tens of millions of dollars to start the team, tens of millions of dollars in operating capital, and the influence to get a stadium built.

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This is why the MLS has not been successful in getting fans interested. They have a very North American view of the global game. They think they can operate a soccer league just like its the NFL and it will be successful. It won't.
They havent been successful in getting fans interested? Really? It's too bad statistics and facts dont back that up. In fact, it is just plain wrong. Attendance is up again and averages more than the NBA and NHL, 95% of the league plays in soccer specific stadiums with another one on the way (you dont keep shelling out tens of millions for buildings when there isnt interest, that's just stupid), revenues are up, sponsorship is up, marketing surveys indicate interest is up, and some very successful business men are paying $100 million dollars to join the club. You think billionaires shell out a 100 million dollars to get into something that fans arent interested in?

On top of that, a recent survey indicated that MLS is the second most popular sport behind the NFL for Americans aged 12 to 25. Those are the next generation sports fans that will be buying up season tickets, introducing their own kids to the games, buying merchandise, etc.

They dont operate MLS like the NFL. They operate the league in a way that it will be financially viable in a competitive marketplace and guess what? It has worked beyond anybody's expectations.
 
Old 06-04-2013, 06:09 PM
 
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Please explain how you form the "clubs" you're talking about?

They arent "plopping" down anything. They are business owners opening up a business. Guess what? Those European teams you think are so different are businesses too. There are very few actual clubs that are literally fan owned. That model just isnt possible in the current economic system. You have to have tens of millions of dollars to start the team, tens of millions of dollars in operating capital, and the influence to get a stadium built.
by plopping down and calling a team New York i was referring to the New York Red Bulls actually playing in New Jersey.

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They havent been successful in getting fans interested? Really? It's too bad statistics and facts dont back that up. In fact, it is just plain wrong. Attendance is up again and averages more than the NBA and NHL, 95% of the league plays in soccer specific stadiums with another one on the way (you dont keep shelling out tens of millions for buildings when there isnt interest, that's just stupid), revenues are up, sponsorship is up, marketing surveys indicate interest is up, and some very successful business men are paying $100 million dollars to join the club. You think billionaires shell out a 100 million dollars to get into something that fans arent interested in?

On top of that, a recent survey indicated that MLS is the second most popular sport behind the NFL for Americans aged 12 to 25. Those are the next generation sports fans that will be buying up season tickets, introducing their own kids to the games, buying merchandise, etc.

They dont operate MLS like the NFL. They operate the league in a way that it will be financially viable in a competitive marketplace and guess what? It has worked beyond anybody's expectations.
nobody is watching MLS on TV. The ratings are worse than women's volleyball.
 
Old 06-05-2013, 04:00 AM
 
Location: Scotland
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Well I watch it and I stay in Scotland.
 
Old 06-05-2013, 07:50 AM
 
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by plopping down and calling a team New York i was referring to the New York Red Bulls actually playing in New Jersey.
Can you remind us where New York Giants are actually playing their home games?

Last edited by Pete MUFC; 06-05-2013 at 08:17 AM..
 
Old 06-05-2013, 08:15 AM
 
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The New Jersey Giants ?

I am proud I had to Google that too =)
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