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Old 07-04-2014, 10:18 PM
 
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Got it regarding the fans.

And regarding Europe I'd agree even for those '2nd rates'. Could be good for some players to perhaps test the waters, to see where they're at. All in all, I feel Europe's a place for some experience if a player wants to further his career.
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Old 07-08-2014, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Northern Wisconsin
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I am not a big soccer fan and I don't have the channel that carries MLS.
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Old 07-09-2014, 05:02 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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MLS had their big opportunity to really break through on TV when they had Freddy Adu and they blew it big time. Their was a lot of interest from the casual American sports fan to watch him on TV. The thing the other sports leagues in the USA do is they protect their stars from rough playing and fouling as to let their individual talent shine and protect them from injuries. The NFL protects Tom Brady and the NBA protected Michael Jordan in the latter half of his career. When Freddy Adu first came on the scene his idiot coach didn't even have him in the starting lineup but had him as a sub coming off the bench in the last few minutes of the game. The NBA threaten teams with huge fines if they decide to sit their superstars on important televised games. Soccer on a whole is similar to the NBA of the 80's and early 90's when it was nicknamed thug ball. The top brass of the NBA realized they was losing viewership so they cracked down on the fouling. Same thing in the NFL. A defensive back use to could mug a receiver all over the field. The NFL realized this was hurting scoring and subsequent TV viewership so they cracked down on pass interference from defensive backs. Even baseball turned a blind eye to steroids and juicing because the long ball home run was exciting for the game.

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Old 07-09-2014, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Tejas
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I kind of disagree about Freddy Adu. I am glad that he disappeared off the map. He was rated as the next big thing in football and was going to make America huge when in reality he was just an average American player. The media over here sees a young player who has a few good games or is even very good or great for his age and blow it all out of proportion. Him and Agudelo are the current examples of that.

MLS cant/shouldnt protect anybody. That is up to every team. In football you can have burnouts when you throw kids in too early. Look at how Rooney, Michael Owen, Giggs and those stars. They had the proper training to become stars and they weren't burned out by the time they where 22.

MLS should have 0 input on anybody's starting lineup. If MLS wants to be taken seriously they need to back away from what they are already doing to interfere. They already do too much in screwing with transfers.

The US needs an actual star player, not one over hyped to oblivion.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:11 AM
 
Location: IL
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I agree with Brian mostly. Adu was a physically gifted 14 year old, but then everyone caught up to him. I wouldn't put a 14, 15, 16 year old out on the field with men for a full game.

I do agree a bit about rough play on the best players. When Dempsey came into the league last year he would get clobbered, whether he had the ball or not. Tripped, pushed, elbowed...it was bad from what i saw in the beginning, but I haven't seen any Seattle games this year. I hate that kind of play, it is anti-soccer. That goes to how refs call the game. One aspect of MLS I don't love is it is a bit overly physical, beyond EPL, in my view. It breaks the flow of the game. That said, I do like that most teams are about attacking, not bunkering in.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Tejas
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Oh the standard of tackling in MLS is ridiculously bad. Players do literally get battered. Its not even ol' skool hard but fair tackling, its just bad.
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Old 07-09-2014, 07:01 PM
 
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Re: Freddy Adu

No wonder JK wants to get rid of the 'star' system! All that time and energy focusing on one guy. .....and no payback. Hopefully the US has learned something from that waste of time.
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Old 07-09-2014, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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I do agree a bit about rough play on the best players. When Dempsey came into the league last year he would get clobbered, whether he had the ball or not. Tripped, pushed, elbowed...it was bad from what i saw in the beginning, but I haven't seen any Seattle games this year. I hate that kind of play, it is anti-soccer. That goes to how refs call the game. One aspect of MLS I don't love is it is a bit overly physical, beyond EPL, in my view. It breaks the flow of the game. That said, I do like that most teams are about attacking, not bunkering in.
That's exactly my point. The league has to make the refs call the game so that flow of the game is smooth. The other leagues such as the NFL and NBA has a director of officiating. They make sure the referees are officiating the games as directed by the league. When there is nothing but tripping, pushing, and elbowing I just switch the TV channel to something else. The point I was trying to make about Freddy Adu (maybe he is a bad example because a lot of people don't think he deserved the accolades he got) is that whoever your best player is on teams the league has to make sure the refs protect them because they are the ones that attract eyeballs to the television which in turn attract advertisers which in turn increases the size of the television contracts which in turn increases the money available to pay players and attract top talent. Television is the business model the NFL ,NCAA, NBA , MLB, etc is built on and until the execs at MLS understand how to capitalize on that MLS will continue to be a niche sport with TV ratings comparable to that of the WNBA.
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Old 07-09-2014, 10:39 PM
 
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MLS had their big opportunity to really break through on TV when they had Freddy Adu and they blew it big time. Their was a lot of interest from the casual American sports fan to watch him on TV. The thing the other sports leagues in the USA do is they protect their stars from rough playing and fouling as to let their individual talent shine and protect them from injuries. The NFL protects Tom Brady and the NBA protected Michael Jordan in the latter half of his career. When Freddy Adu first came on the scene his idiot coach didn't even have him in the starting lineup but had him as a sub coming off the bench in the last few minutes of the game. The NBA threaten teams with huge fines if they decide to sit their superstars on important televised games. Soccer on a whole is similar to the NBA of the 80's and early 90's when it was nicknamed thug ball. The top brass of the NBA realized they was losing viewership so they cracked down on the fouling. Same thing in the NFL. A defensive back use to could mug a receiver all over the field. The NFL realized this was hurting scoring and subsequent TV viewership so they cracked down on pass interference from defensive backs. Even baseball turned a blind eye to steroids and juicing because the long ball home run was exciting for the game.
One reason I don't watch any of those sports you mentioned is because they give such favoritism to so called star players. I'm glad soccer (for the most part) is much more of a meritocracy.

And no, the casual sports fan wouldn't have watched MLS just because of Adu.
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Old 07-09-2014, 11:51 PM
 
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Soccer is not some ad revenue generated sport that has to heavily rely on pleasing sponsors and promosing them more viewers. At least not abroad. The reason why soccer is so popular among new fans is their fascination with a game that hasn't been totally saturated in commercialism to the point where its gimmicky. American sports are such a middle class comfort spectatle.
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