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Old 10-13-2014, 10:04 AM
 
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I imagine its a temporary glitch, they haven't come off the high of winning the WC. They'll win the group and do well in the Euro's.
It could be but I also wonder how much long-term damage the absence of Lahm will do, their defense is not nearly the same it had been in the WC.
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Old 10-13-2014, 02:50 PM
 
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So, wasn't Germany supposed to dominate world soccer for now on? Looks like they haven't been able to handle even Europe...
Are you still not over Brazil's pathetic display during the WC? Are you really going to whine every time a top European team screws up? How sad.
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Old 10-13-2014, 02:57 PM
 
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Are you still not over Brazil's pathetic display during the WC? Are you really going to whine every time a top European team screws up? How sad.
I took his point as after the WC many major publications talked about how Germany has built up a major soccer development machine that should dominate for years to come.
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Old 10-13-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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I took his point as after the WC many major publications talked about how Germany has built up a major soccer development machine that should dominate for years to come.
Germany made it to four consecutive WC semi-finals and two consecutive Euro finals in the past decade. Of course they're a dominant force in football and there is absolutely no reason to believe they won't be dominant in the future, even though *some* people pretend like Germany is dependent on a single player or that one ECQ loss proves they're overrated.
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Old 10-13-2014, 04:01 PM
 
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Are you still not over Brazil's pathetic display during the WC? Are you really going to whine every time a top European team screws up? How sad.
Wow. Calm down, how did the Netherlands do today?

I think you missed the point. Yes, my comment has to do with the impression the Germany team had passed after the WC, that they would dominate world soccer for a while, due to their obvious collective advantage. I do not think they depend on a single player, that's in fact their very winning philosophy, but I do think they look rather more vulnerable on their defense. It is very early after the WC and them being trashed by Argentina at their home without Messi was just a friendly match, I know, but I guess time will tell us.

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Old 10-13-2014, 04:41 PM
 
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Germany made it to four consecutive WC semi-finals and two consecutive Euro finals in the past decade. Of course they're a dominant force in football and there is absolutely no reason to believe they won't be dominant in the future, even though *some* people pretend like Germany is dependent on a single player or that one ECQ loss proves they're overrated.
Do I think Germany are a great team? Yes.
Do short term results equal long term greatness? No.
Is this a minor bump in the road for Germany? Most likely.
Does Germany currently have an issue at the back? Yes.
Was I happy that Germany lost to Poland? Yes, I generally like underdogs.

I was not trying to flare your emotions, but it appears I accidentally did.
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Old 10-13-2014, 05:33 PM
 
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Do I think Germany are a great team? Yes.
Do short term results equal long term greatness? No.
Is this a minor bump in the road for Germany? Most likely.
Does Germany currently have an issue at the back? Yes.
Was I happy that Germany lost to Poland? Yes, I generally like underdogs.

I was not trying to flare your emotions, but it appears I accidentally did.
Short term results? Have you looked at Germany's track record of the past 40 years? There's not a single country in the world that has done better. Tell me how that is not long term domination? Just to give you a quick summary:

1974: champions
1978: second group stage
1982: runners-up
1986: runners-up
1990: champions
1994: QF
1998: QF
2002: runners-up
2006: third place
2010: third place
2014: champions

But yeah, let's see what the future brings before we call Germany a dominant force in football
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Old 10-13-2014, 06:49 PM
 
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Short term results? Have you looked at Germany's track record of the past 40 years? There's not a single country in the world that has done better. Tell me how that is not long term domination? Just to give you a quick summary:

1974: champions
1978: second group stage
1982: runners-up
1986: runners-up
1990: champions
1994: QF
1998: QF
2002: runners-up
2006: third place
2010: third place
2014: champions

But yeah, let's see what the future brings before we call Germany a dominant force in football
For the big guys, runner-up, third or fourth place means absolutely nothing in a world cup. In fact, back in 2002, after losing that WC final and successive failures since 1990, Germany decided to think long term and invest better in their young talents to build a strong squad thinking ahead. Still, it took them 12 years including losing a WC at home to finally win the WC again.

I would be a fool to question Germany's relevance in world football since its existence, but to say that they have dominated football for the past 40 years is just plain ridiculous.

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Old 10-14-2014, 07:59 AM
 
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Short term results? Have you looked at Germany's track record of the past 40 years? There's not a single country in the world that has done better. Tell me how that is not long term domination? Just to give you a quick summary:

1974: champions
1978: second group stage
1982: runners-up
1986: runners-up
1990: champions
1994: QF
1998: QF
2002: runners-up
2006: third place
2010: third place
2014: champions

But yeah, let's see what the future brings before we call Germany a dominant force in football
Man, you have some kind of issue, not sure what it is...What short term results...they lost a game. Does that mean they aren't great in the long term? No. Got it?
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Old 10-14-2014, 03:31 PM
 
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Germany playing at home 1x1 Ireland. Oookay. I will keep quiet.
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