U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Soccer
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 07-07-2014, 11:36 AM
 
3,723 posts, read 3,881,732 times
Reputation: 2779

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by infinitekid View Post
the netherlands do not deserve it. they squeeked by both Mexico and Costa Rica...SQUEEKED
Given the nature of soccer, the better team does not always show clearly through the score line. The Netherlands were clearly the better side against Costa Rica. They enjoyed a lot more possession and out shot the Costa Ricans by a wide margin. In the Mexico match, the Dutch were sluggish in the first 30-35 minutes and really turned it on in the second half. They still out possessed and out shot Mexico. And lets not forget, that's the same Mexican team that held Brazil to a draw.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 07-07-2014, 11:41 AM
 
750 posts, read 920,403 times
Reputation: 201
Quote:
Originally Posted by Justme305 View Post
You wanna talk about a team that barely squeeked by? Look no further than Brazil. It's still here because of penalties. It's a lackluster team, and they've got the very unfair homecrowd advantage.
Quote:
Originally Posted by irlinit View Post
If anything Brazil do not deserve it!

Chile were very unlucky to lose to Brazil. They deserved to win most in my opinion. As it is, probably Germany or Holland deserve it.
WC is not always about who deserves to win, all teams in this WC have had ups and downs.

How Chile deserved to advance the round of 16 if Brazil had 10 more total shots, 8 more shots on goal, 4 more corners and 8 less goalie saves than Chile? Although they ended up with similar possession, Chile barely touched the ball in the first half, just like Colombia.

Germany seems to be the most balanced team in the WC, yet they struggled against Gana in the first round and Algeria in the round of 16.

Argentina had problems to beat both the Swiss (goal in the last minute of extra time) and had another poor performance against Belgium despite of winning. They still rely a lot on Messi.

Holland struggled to beat Mexico and Costa Rica. Holland relies a lot on its quick counter-attack, especially triggered by Robben's speed on the right side.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2014, 12:05 PM
 
Location: IL
2,992 posts, read 4,421,049 times
Reputation: 3085
Quote:
Originally Posted by almost3am View Post
I would be happy with this:

Costa Rica in PKs 0-0/4-3. Netherlands dominates, but can't score. Robben gets a yellow in the first 20 minutes for diving.

Brazil finally gets their act together 2-1 and Felipao decides not to play either Fred or Jo and go with a midfield heavy team. Neymar scores on a free kick and Hulk fires in a long left footed line drive. James does two cut backs and chips it over a completely beat Cesar laying on the ground.

Argentina squeeks it out 1-0, Messi scores in the first half and Belgium has 10 shots in the second half, but doesn't score.

Germany dominates 3-1. Pogba beats Neuer 10 yards outside the box in the first 15 minutes, but then Germany takes over
Damn, I was a couple of penalty kicks away from going 4/4. All my made up storylines were wrong, but my scores were pretty close, though.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2014, 01:00 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
2,942 posts, read 4,392,564 times
Reputation: 3402
Quote:
Originally Posted by infinitekid View Post
the netherlands do not deserve it. they squeeked by both Mexico and Costa Rica...SQUEEKED
Nonsense. The Netherlands played tactical against Mexico, saving their energy for the end of the game considering the climate (39°C and 70% humidity). We ran circles around Mexico at the end of the second half because they had worn themselves out. They gave away a lead in a matter of minutes. I'll concede that this tactic nearly cost us but we were never going to go full out for the whole 90 minutes. Mexico's dominance in the first half was calculated.

As for CR, you must have not seen the match. The score does not reflect the balance on the field at all. It's like saying Belgium squeeked by the US because they only won by 1 goal. We hit the bar three times, with a bit more luck the game would have ended 3-0. Just look at the match statistics:

Netherlands vs. Costa Rica
Shots: 20 vs. 6
Shots on target: 15 vs. 3
Corner kicks: 11 vs. 1
Saves: 3 vs. 14
Offside: 13 vs. 2 (replay showed several offside calls for the NL were wrong)

If you want to talk about teams barely squeeking by, what about Argentina that has won every single game by 1 goal and often scored in the dying minutes of the game? What about Brazil who needed the ref's help in the first game against Croatia, failed to beat Mexico and needed penalties to get past Chile? Or what about Germany who were lucky to get away with a draw against Ghana, needed extra time to beat Algeria and squeeked by France?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2014, 01:28 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
1,451 posts, read 1,426,137 times
Reputation: 648
Quote:
Originally Posted by LindavG View Post
Nonsense. The Netherlands played tactical against Mexico, saving their energy for the end of the game considering the climate (39°C and 70% humidity). We ran circles around Mexico at the end of the second half because they had worn themselves out. They gave away a lead in a matter of minutes. I'll concede that this tactic nearly cost us but we were never going to go full out for the whole 90 minutes. Mexico's dominance in the first half was calculated.

As for CR, you must have not seen the match. The score does not reflect the balance on the field at all. It's like saying Belgium squeeked by the US because they only won by 1 goal. We hit the bar three times, with a bit more luck the game would have ended 3-0. Just look at the match statistics:

Netherlands vs. Costa Rica
Shots: 20 vs. 6
Shots on target: 15 vs. 3
Corner kicks: 11 vs. 1
Saves: 3 vs. 14
Offside: 13 vs. 2 (replay showed several offside calls for the NL were wrong)

If you want to talk about teams barely squeeking by, what about Argentina that has won every single game by 1 goal and often scored in the dying minutes of the game? What about Brazil who needed the ref's help in the first game against Croatia, failed to beat Mexico and needed penalties to get past Chile? Or what about Germany who were lucky to get away with a draw against Ghana, needed extra time to beat Algeria and squeeked by France?
ran circles around Mexico? ugh i must've watched the wrong game ........................


wow you're biased..ur from the Netherlands so i get it but wow.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2014, 01:38 PM
 
750 posts, read 920,403 times
Reputation: 201
Quote:
Originally Posted by LindavG View Post
If you want to talk about teams barely squeeking by, what about Argentina that has won every single game by 1 goal and often scored in the dying minutes of the game? What about Brazil who needed the ref's help in the first game against Croatia, failed to beat Mexico and needed penalties to get past Chile? Or what about Germany who were lucky to get away with a draw against Ghana, needed extra time to beat Algeria and squeeked by France?
I agree with that, no team is a solid favorite at this point, any of these 4 semifinalists can win and it will not be any surprise.

However if you want use stats to justify how much they deserve to win, then show me one game that Brazil played that they did not dominate the main stats (total shots, shots on goal and possession). That PK against Croatia may have been a bad call, but Brazil would still beat them 2x1. Funny, everybody is still talking about that PK in Fred against Brazil in the first match, but no other team is having so much unfavorable unfair calls than Brazil ever since that game. Neymar is a sad example of it, and the referee did not even call a foul! Unbelievable. Brazil dominated the game against Chile too, had a PK not called and was unlucky to go to penalties in the end. Just look at the official stats and you will see.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2014, 01:54 PM
 
Location: Castlederp
9,268 posts, read 5,775,237 times
Reputation: 2911
Stats are not an indication for who 'deserved' to win

Chile hit the bar very late on against Brazil and had the better chances, even if they didn't have as many.

I was sad to see Chile get knocked out, they were probably the best side from the group stages. If Brazil win this world cup, they will most likely be the worst side to ever win it!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2014, 01:55 PM
 
Location: The Netherlands
2,942 posts, read 4,392,564 times
Reputation: 3402
Quote:
Originally Posted by infinitekid View Post
ran circles around Mexico? ugh i must've watched the wrong game ........................
Yes, the Netherlands were the better team for most of the second half but especially the last 20 minutes or so. We had one chance after the other and it was just a matter of time before we would score. I remember the sports commentator saying, even when we were still 1-0 down, that we could still win this game if we kept playing like this.

Quote:
wow you're biased..ur from the Netherlands so i get it but wow.
Everyone has a certain bias when it comes to football. When you say the Netherlands struggled against Costa Rica, that is a biased opinion. When you say the Netherlands in particular don't deserve to win the WC because it "squeeked by", that is a biased opinion.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2014, 02:10 PM
 
Location: Buenos Aires and La Plata, ARG
2,267 posts, read 1,760,304 times
Reputation: 1521


Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 07-07-2014, 02:17 PM
 
750 posts, read 920,403 times
Reputation: 201
Quote:
Originally Posted by irlinit View Post
Stats are not an indication for who 'deserved' to win

Chile hit the bar very late on against Brazil and had the better chances, even if they didn't have as many.
The stats help to eliminate fan bias. You are talking about the bar Chile hit in the end but ignoring the shots on goal Brazil missed because Bravo, who was just hired by Barcelona, saved them. It's a biased opinion because you wanted Chile to win, so to eliminate the bias, we have to look at the stats.

Quote:
Originally Posted by irlinit View Post
I was sad to see Chile get knocked out, they were probably the best side from the group stages. If Brazil win this world cup, they will most likely be the worst side to ever win it!
You are right on Chile being one of the best to qualify in the group stage and so was Colombia.

Now, just take a moment to look back at Brazil's path to the semifinal: it may not have been the "death group" but they played against 2 very good quality teams in the group stage (Mexico and Croatia) followed by Chile and Colombia, both of which could easily make it to the semis, had they not fallen in the hard side of the brackets and now they are playing against Germany, which is stronger (more balanced in all sectors of the game) than Netherlands and Argentina. In all those games Brazil had better stats than its opponent. So, does anybody still wants to argue why Brazil does not deserve to win the WC?

By the way, the worst team to ever win a WC was Italy in 2006, that team has no talent whatsoever, just defense.

Last edited by Indyking; 07-07-2014 at 02:27 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Sports > Soccer
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top