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Old 06-23-2014, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Arizona
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Looking at the games coming later today, it is still possible for Brazil to get knocked out, but highly unlikely. Cameroon would have to beat Brazil by 2-0 or better, and Croatia beating Mexico by a 4-3 score would make Croatia the group winner, and Mexico as runner up. But being realistic, I would be surprised if the group ended any other way than Brazil as winner and Mexico as runner up, although Mexico has been known to mess up in critical games and lose out to Croatia. I expect to see Netherlands against Mexico, and Chile against Brazil in the group of 16. We'll know later today.

A really good game tomorrow is the first game with Italy against Uruguay. This will be a battle for runner up in group D.
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Old 06-23-2014, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Howard County, MD
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IMO we need to go completely cynical and negative vs Germany: Bus-parking, professional fouling, Greece at Euro 04 type football. At the very least it preserves our goal differential.
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Old 06-23-2014, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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IMO we need to go completely cynical and negative vs Germany: Bus-parking, professional fouling, Greece at Euro 04 type football. At the very least it preserves our goal differential.
yeah! let's start with that nasty business about starting WW II

and I bet they think we forgot about this one too, huh?


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Old 06-23-2014, 09:29 PM
 
Location: Land of Free Johnson-Weld-2016
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I'm still a bit confused about the score that the US needs to advance. But I've read someplace that our chance of advancing is over 60%.

First some Quotes:

According to this quote from Jermaine thanks to ussoccer.com, Beas helped out with Jermaine's goal:
” I tried to get the ball in that corner. I only heard ‘Beas’ from behind, ‘shoot, shoot, shoot,’ so I shot and I am happy that it goes in.”

Muah to you, Beas. Love seeing the team effort.

Quote from Matt about the Points:
"We have four points from two games, we’re in control of our own destiny. Huge game against Germany in our third game. I think we like to do things the hard way. It’s the American way."

So I'm going to honestly try to give everyone and myself some information about the confusing points.

How do Teams Advance?


Only two teams in each group can advance. FIFA takes into consideration POINTS, Goal Difference and Number of Goals. The Goal Difference and Number of Goals are used if there is a TIE. I'm going to discuss Points and Goal Differential only. But the FWC so far has been CRAZY! Let us hope they don't have to use all of the tie breaking rules. Apparently there is a long list of them.

What are Points?


You get 3 points for a win and 1 point for a tie.

What is Goal Difference?

AKA Goal Differential IS:

The number of goals scored MINUS The number of Goals made AGAINST the team.

So if you scored 4 goals in all your games, and the other teams scored two against you, the goal difference is:
4 - 2 = +2

If you scored 3 goals in all your games, but the other teams scored 5 against you, the goal difference is:
3 - 5 = -2

Where are we Now?
(fifa.com)
USA 4 points
Ghana 1 point
Portugal 1 point
Germany 4 points

USA 4 - 3 = +1 GOAL DIFFERENCE
Ghana 3 - 4 = -1 GOAL DIFFERENCE
Portugal 2 - 6 = -4 GOAL DIFFERENCE
Germany 6 - 2 = +4 GOAL DIFFERENCE




IF Ghana TIES Portugal

AND

USA TIES Germany

USA 5 points
Ghana 2 points
Portugal 2 point
Germany 5 points

AND USA LOSES to GERMANY by any score

USA 4 points
Ghana 2 points
Portugal 2 points
Germany 7 points

AND USA BEATS GERMANY by any score

USA 7 points
Ghana 2 points
Portugal 2 points
Germany 4 points



IF Ghana BEATS Portugal

AND

USA TIES Germany

USA 5 points
Ghana 4 points
Portugal 1 point
Germany 5 points

AND USA LOSES to GERMANY by any score


USA 4 points
Ghana 4 points * OH NO! Goal Difference! Depends on the goals in both games.
Portugal 1 points
Germany 7 points

AND USA BEATS GERMANY by any score

USA 7 points
Ghana 4 points
Portugal 1 points
Germany 4 points


IF Portugal BEATS Ghana

AND

USA TIES Germany

USA 5 points
Ghana 1 points
Portugal 4 point
Germany 5 points

AND USA LOSES to GERMANY by any score


USA 4 points
Ghana 1 points
Portugal 4 points * OH NO! Goal Difference! Depends on goals made in both games.
Germany 7 points

AND USA BEATS GERMANY by any score

USA 7 points
Ghana 1 points
Portugal 4 points Who cares?
Germany 4 points Who cares?


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FIFA Tiebreaker Rules

It is late and I'm on a diet. So hopefully this is right. Let me know if it looks funky and feel free to correct me. This is getting EXCITING.

Currently the babies are training and hopefully getting a little R and R (rest and relaxation) in Sao Paulo. I'm sure Coach Juergen is working overtime to come up with a game plan for Thursday.
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Old 06-24-2014, 08:33 AM
 
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I'm sure Coach Juergen is working overtime to come up with a game plan for
Thursday.
For sure and he 'knows' the German team so the US team will be prepared. Kind of ironic that the Cup has scripted this way for the US. But hey as JK said we had 'tough' travel and a 'tough draw'. 'Vee have to do it the 'tough way!'.....;-)...
Nothing worthwhile is easy folks! Good luck USA!...;-)....
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Old 06-24-2014, 09:52 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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For the US to advance to the knockout stage all they need to do is better defend the occasional diagonal pass in the box and eliminate the 1 or 2 lapses of concentration they usually suffer that leads to dangerous scoring chances for the opposition. I can't see either team sending the numbers up top to really mount any real scoring opportunities risking a helter skelter game in the oppressive heat and tired legs for the knockout stage.

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Old 06-24-2014, 11:17 AM
 
Location: Howard County, MD
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For the US to advance to the knockout stage all they need to do is better defend the occasional diagonal pass in the box and eliminate the 1 or 2 lapses of concentration they usually suffer that leads to dangerous scoring chances for the opposition. I can't see either team sending the numbers up top to really mount any real scoring opportunities risking a helter skelter game in the oppressive heat and tired legs for the knockout stage.
Best way to do this: 10 men behind the ball.
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Old 06-24-2014, 12:08 PM
 
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Yes, just draw. Defend like hell. Don't worry about scoring unless there is an opening.
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Old 06-24-2014, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Land of Free Johnson-Weld-2016
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For tonight I'll try to give an update of the US Men's team, and make cruel fun of Germany. Muller seems like he is high on something. He looks 45, but he is ONLY 24?! (told you this would be mean) He gave an interview that was reproduced on FIFA.com.


We can see how big his mouth is, now let us see how big his head is:

"I won the Golden Boot four years ago and, to be honest, I wouldn't know where to put another one,"



I can think of some place to put it...



Remember the cut he got during the Ghana game?

"It looks worse than it is...The blood came pouring out, but I have no complaints."




Our team will make sure you have some complaints on Thursday. You are just trying to be tough because you don't want to look weak next to Clint... But of course, this is not good. Muller seems like he likes to win...a lot. The team has to crush him.

Muller is Julian Green's teammate on Bayern Munich. Maybe we will get to see some of Julian's playing during the world cup. He is the one who reminds me of Pele, who by the way I believe is supporting the US team. If I have energy, I'll look up some of Julian's videos and link to them.

But tonight I'm going to give a belated thanks to whoever picked the white uniforms on Sunday.





Maybe this should be censored, too.



Updates (ussoccer.com and fifa.com):

The team is either on the way or actually in Recife.

Jozy is still recuperating. He will not be playing against Deutchland.


I'm sure I've said it before, but Good Job Guys!




We are in joint lead and we have a good chance of moving on to the next stage. Not just good because we rock, but good in terms of probability. I'm looking forward to the game on Thursday.

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Old 06-25-2014, 10:28 AM
 
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Same here. It should be a battle.

Thought I'd check some stats. So far in their management careers, on a percentage basis JK has won more games (59%) than Low (54%), the German coach, when ALL games are taken into account namely natonal and club. (note Low has more games played)

When looking at their win % when affiliated with the German team, Low is up there winning 68% of the time, JK was lower at 58%.

Interesting though that JK has a better win percentage with the US (62%) than when he was with Germany (58%).
4 points difference.... I don't know if the math truly translates into an 'edge'. We know Klinsmann and the team are motivated. Things is to fashion that into a great result!
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