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Old 08-09-2014, 02:21 AM
 
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He was the property of Bayer Leverkusen from 1999-2005 getting only 7 senior caps (and 28 youth apps). To me this was an example of what not to do with a career, languishing mostly on the bench in spite of being on a pretty prestigious club. It was saved by a loan move to San Jose/MLS where he made his name.

The LA Galaxy bought him in 2005 who loaned him once to Bayern Munich and twice to Everton where he really impressed.

I think level of club play is overrated in determining ultimate level in international play. You could argue that Champions and Europa level clubs burn their players out from too many matches. And we all know top players who have played very poorly for their countries in big tournaments... Steven Gerrard anyone?

But it's a bit of a shame, Donovan is still pretty dang good, he showed a bucket of skills to get the game winner vs Bayern Munich the other day. And Klinsmann really screwed him (and US soccerfans) over not bringing him to Brazil. I really think we would have made it out of the group with him being our first attacker off the bench.
We did make it out of the group.

I would have taken LD over Wondo or Davis though.
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Old 08-09-2014, 04:39 AM
 
Location: Washington, DC
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We did make it out of the group.

I would have taken LD over Wondo or Davis though.
Oops, correct, maybe beaten Belgium then...
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Old 08-09-2014, 07:51 AM
 
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I don't think so..

I know the US are an up and coming team and will get better, I still find it ridiculous that some commentators on the pre season games recently have been saying they will be contenders in 2018/2022

Far too early to say that, and just not true IMO
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Old 08-09-2014, 11:03 AM
 
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I don't think so..

I know the US are an up and coming team and will get better, I still find it ridiculous that some commentators on the pre season games recently have been saying they will be contenders in 2018/2022

Far too early to say that, and just not true IMO
That's about the time when our youth academy system will start producing a larger number of technical players . You have to realize that we've only had a youth academy system for about five years and have mostly been relying on University boys for our international rosters. We've gotten as far as we have in the World Cup (quarterfinal in 2002, round of 16 in 10' and 14') because of our work rate. Once we combine the work rate with technical ability we become a contender. 2022 sounds about right.
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Old 08-09-2014, 05:59 PM
 
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That's about the time when our youth academy system will start producing a larger number of technical players . You have to realize that we've only had a youth academy system for about five years and have mostly been relying on University boys for our international rosters. We've gotten as far as we have in the World Cup (quarterfinal in 2002, round of 16 in 10' and 14') because of our work rate. Once we combine the work rate with technical ability we become a contender. 2022 sounds about right.
I don't know about that. How long does Mexico have a youth system in place and are still not contenders? I think the issue is a little more complex.
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Old 08-09-2014, 06:08 PM
 
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People are in dreamland if they think we have any kind of chance in 2018 or 2022. The US where on par with Ghana and where outplayed by everyone else in the WC.
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:08 PM
 
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That's about the time when our youth academy system will start producing a larger number of technical players . You have to realize that we've only had a youth academy system for about five years and have mostly been relying on University boys for our international rosters. We've gotten as far as we have in the World Cup (quarterfinal in 2002, round of 16 in 10' and 14') because of our work rate. Once we combine the work rate with technical ability we become a contender. 2022 sounds about right.
But lots of teams that have better technical players are not contenders yet.

I understand that US will get better, but when teams such as England, Croatia, Portugal, Mexico, SA teams, Russia etc are not even considered contenders, yet have had good academy systems for years.. it takes a special set of players to all come through at the right time, along with some experience
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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People are in dreamland if they think we have any kind of chance in 2018 or 2022. The US where on par with Ghana and where outplayed by everyone else in the WC.
We out played Portugal. Eight years is a long time.
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:11 PM
 
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We out played Portugal. Eight years is a long time.
There are so many other teams though, only about 4 or 5 teams in the world are real contenders.. until the US produces players such as Aguero, Kroos, Ozil etc it won't happen.

Better academies will not = Kroos, Aguero type players just appearing
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Old 08-09-2014, 08:28 PM
 
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There are so many other teams though, only about 4 or 5 teams in the world are real contenders.. until the US produces players such as Aguero, Kroos, Ozil etc it won't happen.

Better academies will not = Kroos, Aguero type players just appearing
I somewhat agree with you. But I think there is something unique about the American attitude. A country's football team mirrors its culture. The Germans are efficient, the Brazilians flamboyant, the Americans have a great work rate. Look at England. They get down a goal and you can see it in their body language. They start to play demoralized and the English pessimism sets in.

I'm not saying that by 2022 the USNT will be contenders to win the World Cup. I want to pull that back a little. But I think they will be contending in the sense that they could beat anyone.
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