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Old 07-11-2018, 01:01 AM
 
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American Football and rugby players do all that except bring up the ball with their feet. But again there is plenty of running without the ball in soccer too. But they have much better form when running. Rugby players like soccer have to stay out and run a lot too. (American football they get breaks)

But even with the ball at your feet, I believe there is still room for improvement. Have you seen Kylian Mbappe? He is one of the best young players. With or without ball, one arm is at his side, while the other arm is swinging sideways. You cannot possibly believe that can possibly be best form for even bringing up the ball at your feet.
And yet, as with your other prime example Ronaldo, he seems to be doing pretty well with it, "terrible running form" or not. Give it up, there is literally nobody else who knows anything about football who agrees with you. You do NOT need to sprint the same way a track runner does to be an effective football player. End of.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:17 AM
 
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And yet, as with your other prime example Ronaldo, he seems to be doing pretty well with it, "terrible running form" or not. Give it up, there is literally nobody else who knows anything about football who agrees with you. You do NOT need to sprint the same way a track runner does to be an effective football player. End of.
That's the equivalent to saying most NHL players have terrible skating form because they don't skate like speed skaters.

I agree; totally different sport.

The irony of this post is that Ronaldo has hit 25mph during games before, while the top NFL players' in-game speeds have been recorded at under 23mph.
Yes, I'm aware that NFL players have ~20lbs of gear, but it's still a 2mph difference, with the prior speed being in a game requiring much more endurance.
To put things into perspective, Usain Bolt runs at a top speed of 27.8mph.

I don't think Ronaldo, Mbappe, or any of the fastest soccer/football sprinters need to change their techniques.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:46 PM
 
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That's the equivalent to saying most NHL players have terrible skating form because they don't skate like speed skaters.

I agree; totally different sport.

The irony of this post is that Ronaldo has hit 25mph during games before, while the top NFL players' in-game speeds have been recorded at under 23mph.
Yes, I'm aware that NFL players have ~20lbs of gear, but it's still a 2mph difference, with the prior speed being in a game requiring much more endurance.
To put things into perspective, Usain Bolt runs at a top speed of 27.8mph.

I don't think Ronaldo, Mbappe, or any of the fastest soccer/football sprinters need to change their techniques.
Many NHLers if not all of them, have trained speed skating before. In fact quite a few have even done figure skating even. There is long and short track speed skating ( the one where they do figure eights).

Point being they take elements from speed skating, and adapt/apply when needed during a game. A lot of speed skaters actually played hockey too before concentrating on speed skating. There is a lot of crossover. If you watch the NHL all star competition showcase ( the fun show before the game ), during the racing portion of it, you will see plenty of speed skating technique.

And again a sport like American football has lots of crossover athletes from track and field especially in the skill positions like WR, and DB and even special teams. The kinds of movements they do are not that far off from soccer. WRs, Special teams and DBs have to change directions, zig zag, and even pivot and start running backwards or backwards to forward.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:07 PM
 
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Many NHLers if not all of them, have trained speed skating before. In fact quite a few have even done figure skating even. There is long and short track speed skating ( the one where they do figure eights).

Point being they take elements from speed skating, and adapt/apply when needed during a game. A lot of speed skaters actually played hockey too before concentrating on speed skating. There is a lot of crossover. If you watch the NHL all star competition showcase ( the fun show before the game ), during the racing portion of it, you will see plenty of speed skating technique.

And again a sport like American football has lots of crossover athletes from track and field especially in the skill positions like WR, and DB and even special teams. The kinds of movements they do are not that far off from soccer. WRs, Special teams and DBs have to change directions, zig zag, and even pivot and start running backwards or backwards to forward.
No, most have not trained in speed skating. And the technique is wildly different, hence why most can’t even “speed skate” without their stick in hand. They depend on their stick A LOT in straight lines and around corners for balance. A lot would fall flat on their face if they tried to do their speed runs without it.

I’ll give you that quote a few have figure skated, but again, even that skating technique is extremely different. The skates themselves require different foot positioning during thrusts. There are quite a few hilarious videos online of pro hockey players trying to skate with speed skates and figure skates, and vice versa.
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:26 PM
 
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Many NHLers if not all of them, have trained speed skating before. In fact quite a few have even done figure skating even. There is long and short track speed skating ( the one where they do figure eights).

Point being they take elements from speed skating, and adapt/apply when needed during a game. A lot of speed skaters actually played hockey too before concentrating on speed skating. There is a lot of crossover. If you watch the NHL all star competition showcase ( the fun show before the game ), during the racing portion of it, you will see plenty of speed skating technique.

And again a sport like American football has lots of crossover athletes from track and field especially in the skill positions like WR, and DB and even special teams. The kinds of movements they do are not that far off from soccer. WRs, Special teams and DBs have to change directions, zig zag, and even pivot and start running backwards or backwards to forward.
Dude, you just make stuff up, like your comments in the OP about the relative popularity of Track and Field in the US vs the rest of the world...

NO..."many NHLers if not all HAVE NOT trained as speed skaters before" you don't even seem to understand the difference between long and short track speed skating...

Most NHLers have been playing hockey from around age 4-5 and EXCLUSIVELY hockey....hockey and speed skating are different disciplines, techniques and skates...

Hockey players at young ages don't have time to "train as speed skaters" they are too busy learning "how to play hockey"
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:38 PM
 
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Dude, you just make stuff up, like your comments in the OP about the relative popularity of Track and Field in the US vs the rest of the world...

NO..."many NHLers if not all HAVE NOT trained as speed skaters before" you don't even seem to understand the difference between long and short track speed skating...

Most NHLers have been playing hockey from around age 4-5 and EXCLUSIVELY hockey....hockey and speed skating are different disciplines, techniques and skates...

Hockey players at young ages don't have time to "train as speed skaters" they are too busy learning "how to play hockey"
LOL did I write "as speed skaters"? There is a difference in trying to become a speed skater, and just partaking in it out as a nice workout outside your normal routine. You think an athlete recreational or serious who has been on the surface since around 4-5 wont try another easily assessable sport on the same surface a bunch of times especially when there is obvious crossover?

Even at my local rink, there is a speed club that uses the hockey rink once a week. Some of the people there were hockey players in their youth, and or are hockey players, and just come during off season every now and then.

Here Nathan Mackinnon feels he can learn from short track guy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-qqZirRyFk

And this is now going off topic.
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Old 07-13-2018, 02:04 AM
 
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LOL did I write "as speed skaters"? There is a difference in trying to become a speed skater, and just partaking in it out as a nice workout outside your normal routine. You think an athlete recreational or serious who has been on the surface since around 4-5 wont try another easily assessable sport on the same surface a bunch of times especially when there is obvious crossover?

Even at my local rink, there is a speed club that uses the hockey rink once a week. Some of the people there were hockey players in their youth, and or are hockey players, and just come during off season every now and then.

Here Nathan Mackinnon feels he can learn from short track guy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-qqZirRyFk

And this is now going off topic.
What is this supposed to prove? That MacKinnon isn't a speed skater? That they both have entirely different skating techniques? There isn't really any speed skating technique he could use in hockey, as everything about it is different aside from the fact that they skate on ice. You can't skate like that on ice hockey skates. Learning how to speed skate would be entirely useless.
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Old 07-14-2018, 08:49 AM
 
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What is this supposed to prove? That MacKinnon isn't a speed skater? That they both have entirely different skating techniques? There isn't really any speed skating technique he could use in hockey, as everything about it is different aside from the fact that they skate on ice. You can't skate like that on ice hockey skates. Learning how to speed skate would be entirely useless.
If the you watch the vid, you will hear hockey player stating there are elements he can pull from the speed skater tech. Obviously, you have to tweak it to suit your game, and nothing is going to be exactly the same.

Anyways that if off topic. Yes soccer players have poor tech when running. They can learn things from other sports, and blend into their craft.
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Old 07-14-2018, 12:23 PM
 
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If the you watch the vid, you will hear hockey player stating there are elements he can pull from the speed skater tech. Obviously, you have to tweak it to suit your game, and nothing is going to be exactly the same.

Anyways that if off topic. Yes soccer players have poor tech when running. They can learn things from other sports, and blend into their craft.
Still here? Give it up, you've lost mate.
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Old 07-15-2018, 11:42 AM
 
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American Football and rugby players do all that except bring up the ball with their feet. But again there is plenty of running without the ball in soccer too. But they have much better form when running. Rugby players like soccer have to stay out and run a lot too. (American football they get breaks)

But even with the ball at your feet, I believe there is still room for improvement. Have you seen Kylian Mbappe? He is one of the best young players. With or without ball, one arm is at his side, while the other arm is swinging sideways. You cannot possibly believe that can possibly be best form for even bringing up the ball at your feet.
Congrats to Kylian Mbappe for somehow overcoming his horrible handicap of less than ideal running form and STILL being able to help lead his team to a World Cup!

Imagine what he could do if he could actually improve his arm swing
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