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Old 03-20-2010, 02:00 PM
 
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Yeah, no doubt Juve has fallen farther than Liverpool, but cmon, wishin Liverpool bad luck? Liverpool will rise again!!!!
Steve-o, I am a Man Utd fan, do you expect me to wish L'pool well?
We'll play them tomorrow, and somehow I have a weird feeling that we will lose the game 0:1.
I don't want that to happen, but it is just a feeling.
If you can, watch the game tomorrow morning.
I think the kick-off time is 7:30 am CT, but have to check this.
Cheers.
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Old 03-21-2010, 10:23 AM
 
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Thanks God my feeling didn't materialize.
And it started in the worst possible fashion for Man Utd.
0:1 in 5th minute, a nightmare.
But since that point it was only Man Utd.
Well deserved victory, back on top again.
As for L'pool, can we now say that they are not going to finish 4th this year?
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Old 03-21-2010, 06:37 PM
 
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And you only took into consideration the current standing to decide who's fallen further?
I like playing devil's advocate; it's not the only thing I'd take into consideration however, that is a metric I'd look at no matter what. "Fallen" by definition means you've gone heights A to depths B. There is no way you can define "fallen further" without looking at where they stand today.

As a counterpoint I'd also point out Liverpool look more likely to have a mass exodus of their star players (in reality, they only have 2 world class players) after this season.
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Old 03-21-2010, 09:10 PM
 
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I like playing devil's advocate; it's not the only thing I'd take into consideration however, that is a metric I'd look at no matter what. "Fallen" by definition means you've gone heights A to depths B. There is no way you can define "fallen further" without looking at where they stand today.

As a counterpoint I'd also point out Liverpool look more likely to have a mass exodus of their star players (in reality, they only have 2 world class players) after this season.
Yeah, and after today's defeat to Man Utd (So happy!) they almost have no chance for the 4th place and CL football next season. Which probably means that their 2 world class players (Gerrard and Torres, right?) will not stay there after this season ends.
So, with the emergence of Man City, Spurs...as a top 4 contenders, I can see them fall further next season.
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Old 03-22-2010, 04:31 PM
 
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So, with the emergence of Man City, Spurs...as a top 4 contenders, I can see them fall further next season.
That is definitely a possibility. It's not just Spurs and City, Aston Villa will also be challenging for 4th next season. And the return of Arteta shows how strong Everton can be at full strength: imagine them fielding a creative engine of Arteta, Pienaar, Fellaini, and Donovan.
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Old 03-23-2010, 08:21 AM
 
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That is definitely a possibility. It's not just Spurs and City, Aston Villa will also be challenging for 4th next season. And the return of Arteta shows how strong Everton can be at full strength: imagine them fielding a creative engine of Arteta, Pienaar, Fellaini, and Donovan.
Well, though I like Everton, I don't think they can break into the top 4 yet. They have a very good team, but are on a very small budget comparing to the teams mentioned before. Kudos to Moyes, who was capable of creating this strong team on so tight budget.
Don't forget that they do have some young talents, like Dan Gosling and Jack Rodwell (remember the game against ManU?) who, in my opinion will be next England stars (I would love to see them play for ManUtd one day). The think that annoys me about Everton is, that they always have a slow start to the season and then start to play well. This season was no exception too. They need to prepare better during the summer break. They were in Chicago this past summer and played against Chicago Fire and lost that game easily 2:0. I know it was only a friendly game, but still, that was a bad result. Then on the opening game of the season they were humiliated by Arsenal at their own ground, 1:6. So, in my opinion, if they have a good start to next season, they may have a chance to be top 5 contenders.
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Old 03-23-2010, 09:12 AM
 
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IIRC, Everton has been the only "outside" team in recent history to break into the top 4. And they don't always necessarily start slowly, but injuries to key players like Arteta left them in 8th or 9th place before he returned (and just look at the impact he's had). It would be like Chelsea losing Lamps or Liverpool losing Gerrard to a long-term injury. But you're right they don't have a big budget and don't have enough quality on the bench. If they can bring back Donovan, they'll look really good for next season.

I'm sure those guys like Gosling and Rodwell would love to follow in the footsteps of Wayne Rooney from Everton to United. What a meteoric rise that has been - not only has he become the all-round player but also matured under SAF (remember his temper when he first came on the scene?). Everton/Moyes have that impressive ability to "create" or "grow" players which is the complete opposite of teams like Chelsea and now Man City who only buy them.
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Old 03-23-2010, 10:04 AM
 
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[quote=G.Costanza;13413457]IIRC, Everton has been the only "outside" team in recent history to break into the top 4.

This is correct, but remember they failed to qualify for CL that season and had a bad spell in Uefa Cup.
That is the other thing they have to improve : They have to do better in Europe. This season they did OK in Europe, but still had some miserable performance (5:0 drubbing to Benfica, remember).

Btw, are you Everton supporter?
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Old 03-23-2010, 10:31 AM
 
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No, but I respect teams which grow/develop players rather than just buy them. United and Barca are 2 of the world's biggest clubs, but they develop players as well as anyone. Madrid and Chelsea open their checkbooks instead. Arsenal, OTOH, is at the other extreme. 5+ years of perpetual "development" and nothing yet to show for it. Sometimes you need to pay at the transfer window to fill a key role (like a striker) or just to inject experience into a youth squad.
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Old 03-23-2010, 11:15 AM
 
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No, but I respect teams which grow/develop players rather than just buy them. United and Barca are 2 of the world's biggest clubs, but they develop players as well as anyone. Madrid and Chelsea open their checkbooks instead. Arsenal, OTOH, is at the other extreme. 5+ years of perpetual "development" and nothing yet to show for it. Sometimes you need to pay at the transfer window to fill a key role (like a striker) or just to inject experience into a youth squad.
Well I don't like Chelsea and Madrid tactics too (as well as Man City's these days), but sometimes you need to buy.
Arsenal need holding midfielder and since the departure of Patrick Vieira they haven't got one and they struggle. They have talent, but in the big games you can see they lack experience. They lost twice to Man Utd and Chelsea this season, but they still have chance for the title. But, again, this has been a strange season, otherwise, they would've been out of the title race so far.
So, imagine if Everton with the young players and manager they have, has the money Chelsea or Madrid have, they will be a force in EPL.
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