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Old 05-24-2019, 08:22 PM
 
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Racism in the UK? Rubbish! The Brits are well too sophisticated and orderly for that. It's something only under-developped parts of Europe are capable of.


Except some Liverpool fans pushed an Asian elderly gentleman into a fountain calling him "Mr Miyagi"


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Old 05-25-2019, 03:12 AM
 
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Racism in the UK? Rubbish! The Brits are well too sophisticated and orderly for that. It's something only under-developped parts of Europe are capable of.

Except some Liverpool fans pushed an Asian elderly gentleman into a fountain calling him "Mr Miyagi"

https://www.scmp.com/sport/football/...sian-barcelona
There are 33 million fans that attend professional football (soccer) games in England & Wales and hardly any arrests.

Just because a group of idiots abused an elderly Chinese man doesn't mean that the vast majority of fans in the UK are racist.

Racism is not tolerated in the UK and you will be arrested and banned at football matches if you engage in racist behaviour.
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Old 05-27-2019, 10:24 AM
 
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Racism is not tolerated in the UK and you will be arrested and banned at football matches if you engage in racist behaviour.
Racism is extremely pervasive throughout England (and other countries) in soccer (which is why UEFA has gotten involved). Obviously, every slur or racist ‘behaviour’ does not culminate in an arrest. There are numerous articles pertaining to the subject - the latest I’ve read, ‘From Parks to Premier League: the shocking scale of racism in English football’, April, 2019.
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Old 05-28-2019, 09:41 AM
 
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I grew up in England, and racism was an endemic component of the national humor back then. But for all I know things may have changed; cultural attitudes can shift. With a growing immigrant population, people can get familiarized to new ideas and behaviors.
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Old 05-29-2019, 11:13 AM
 
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Racism is extremely pervasive throughout England (and other countries) in soccer (which is why UEFA has gotten involved). Obviously, every slur or racist ‘behaviour’ does not culminate in an arrest. There are numerous articles pertaining to the subject - the latest I’ve read, ‘From Parks to Premier League: the shocking scale of racism in English football’, April, 2019.
Millions of fans attend football matches every season in the UK and there are very few arrests ir violent incidents.

14,503,954 fans attended Premier League games last season and there were 374 arrests in total, in the EFL Championship league total attendance was 11,314,143 with 591 arrests.

Overall there were around 33 million fans who attended profesional football games in the Premier League, Championship Leage, Division1 and Division 2, a record number, whilst at the same time arrests have fallen from 3,972 arrests in 2000/-1 season to 1,542 lst season, which is more than half.

Football-related arrests lowest in a decade & Birmingham City top arrest list - BBC Sport (November 2018)

Premier League 2018/2019 » Attendance - worldfootball.net

English Football League: Attendances reach 60-year high of almost 18.4m - BBC Sport

2017–18 EFL Championship - Wikipedia

There is CCTV, Steward and Officials and Police in attendance at football games, and racist behaviour is seen as a serious offence, which could see you jailed as well as banned from all football grounds.

Britain clamped down hard on football disorder from the late 80's omwards, and today there are some of the most harsh laws in the world in relation to sporting events as well as stadium safety.

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The Public Order Act 1986 permitted courts to ban supporters from grounds, while the Football Spectators Act 1989 provided for banning convicted hooligans from attending international matches. The Football (Disorder) Act 1999 changed this from a discretionary power of the courts to a duty to make orders. The Football Disorder Act 2000 abolished the distinction between domestic and international bans.

The Football Offences Act 1991 created specific offences of throwing missiles onto pitches, participating in indecent or racist chanting and going onto the pitch without lawful authority.

In Scotland, a new law was introduced in March 2012 to deal with the growing problem of threatening behaviour particularly in relation to inciting religious hatred. The Offensive Behaviour at Football and Threatening Communications (Scotland) Act 2012 creates two new offences: Offensive Behaviour related to football and Threatening Communications.

The former covers expressing or inciting religious, racial or other forms of hatred and and threatening behaviour at or on the way to a regulated football match. The latter relates to threats of serious violence and threats intended to stir up religious hatred sent via the internet or other communications.

Football Hooliganism - politics.co.uk

Football Spectators Act 1989 - Wikipedia

Football (Disorder) Act 2000 - Wikipedia

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Old 05-29-2019, 11:57 AM
 
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Millions of fans attend football matches every season in the UK and there are very few arrests ir violent incidents.




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The issue is not violence or arrests; the thread pertains to racism in the sport. It’s why UEFA has gotten involved with many incidents (and the recent call by Ceferin to refs). Arrests at matches vs. racist behavior at matches are two different things.

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Old 05-30-2019, 02:04 AM
 
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The issue is not violence or arrests; the thread pertains to racism in the sport. It’s why UEFA has gotten involved with many incidents (and the recent call by Ceferin to refs). Arrests at matches vs. racist behavior at matches are two different things.
Racist behaviour at English football matches is VERY rare! Its just that every time there is ANYTHING remotely racist it is EXTENSIVELY highlighted & IMMEDIATELY and rightly stamped on (unlike some other European countries), I am white my Mrs and kids are black and we have NO PROBLEMS going to Stamford Bridge (which is the first stadium to get a negative rap from the press). As BNW has pointed out MILLIONS of people attend football matches in the UK every year and there might be a couple of isolated incidents a season far less than probably happens in the streets of every city on the planet.
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Old 05-30-2019, 07:13 AM
 
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Racist behaviour at English football matches is VERY rare! Its just that every time there is ANYTHING remotely racist it is EXTENSIVELY highlighted & IMMEDIATELY and rightly stamped on (unlike some other European countries), I am white my Mrs and kids are black and we have NO PROBLEMS going to Stamford Bridge (which is the first stadium to get a negative rap from the press). As BNW has pointed out MILLIONS of people attend football matches in the UK every year and there might be a couple of isolated incidents a season far less than probably happens in the streets of every city on the planet.
When there is anything ‘remotely’ racist, it should be highlighted and stamped on; it’s part of UEFA’s ongoing campaign. There were several incidents in England alone (an arrest was made in Brentford last month) on one Saturday in April, so it is anything but ‘isolated’. You should tell Manchester City FC it ‘never happens’. Ceferin would not issue the recent call to refs if it was ‘rarely happening’.
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Old 06-02-2019, 02:25 AM
 
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When there is anything ‘remotely’ racist, it should be highlighted and stamped on; it’s part of UEFA’s ongoing campaign. There were several incidents in England alone (an arrest was made in Brentford last month) on one Saturday in April, so it is anything but ‘isolated’. You should tell Manchester City FC it ‘never happens’. Ceferin would not issue the recent call to refs if it was ‘rarely happening’.
It is highlighted and stopped, hence the arrest.

In terms of UEFA, it's the governing body for European games, it has nothing to do with non-European games held in the UK.

Domestic Games are mainly governed by the Football Association ans Scottish Football Association known as the the FA and SFA, both of whom have a seat on UEFA, however in terms of the domestic game the FA and SFA are responsible. It's only European competitions that UEFA are resp[onsible for, just as FIFA are responsible for the sport globally in terms of global competitions such as the Word Cup.

The Football Association - Wikipedia

Scottish Football Association - Wikipedia

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Old 06-02-2019, 09:08 AM
 
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It is highlighted and stopped, hence the arrest.

In terms of UEFA, it’s the governing body for European games, it has nothing to do with non-European games held in the UK.
Again, the existence of racism doesn’t necessarily equate to violence/arrests. That the UK is divided into 4 separate FA’s (each with membership to UEFA) doesn’t change the facts about racism (or the ongoing campaign/education of UEFA partnered with the FARE Project as well as the UK-based FURD). The UK is not in its own bubble - all professional/competitive soccer teams/leagues are made up of players of different race/ethnic backgrounds.
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