Rangers 2 Celtic 1 (cup, Liverpool, teams, best)

[Jaggy001]

Originally Posted by grmasterb

Well, City and Tottenham seemed determined to make a run, and Aston Villa is now well-financed. In time, we'll see. I suspect your correct, however, and the top four won't change.

I'm sticking with a suggestion I made some time ago in another thread....at least let the SPL clubs play in the FA Cup.

Rangers actually played in the FA Cup in the early days and were beaten in the FA Cup semi-final in 1887 by Aston Villa.

[Hengist]

Originally Posted by Jaggy001

It would be better for English football too.

The Scottish league may be uncompetitive but is England really much better? After all, who is ever in contention in England? Man Utd., Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool .... anyone else? Not really.

By my reckoning 23 different English clubs have won the league; the vast majority having done so post-war.

The simple fact is no one in England wants them. When it was proposed they join the 2nd level a few years ago, nobody volunteered to be relegated to make room for them. And having worked so hard to reduce racism in English football, why on earth would we want to import sectarian hatred? Can you imagine the carnage when Celtic fans start chanting and singing IRA songs?

There is no doubt they could compete, given the enormous Premier League payments. But that could also be said of Dublin, Belfast, Edinburgh, Penzance, or Cardiff. None of which gets handed a franchise. The only way I would support it would be for them to work their way up the non-league pyramid like any other English team. And of course, a British league would mean an end to a Scottish national team.

[Jaggy001]

Yes, but since the inception of the Premier League in 1992, only 4 clubs have won it.

Manchester Utd. - 11 times
Blackburn Rovers - 1 time
Arsenal - 3 times
Chelsea - 2 times

Not exactly competitive is it. If it continues like this, the attractiveness of the EPL will begin to wane and that will start to hit TV revenues which is the big earner. That is what will force the issue one way or the other. There are very few English teams that have the fan base that Rangers and Celtic have.

[Hengist]

I can see what's in it for them; loads of cash and a bigger stage. But no smaller Premier League clubs are going to give up their place for them, and if as you think they are title contenders, then the big four (and their pretenders) won't want them.

It would be great for the Scottish League as several clubs would fancy their chances of being regular champions. Personally I would love to see Scotland and England joining forces in a revitalised League Cup, with smaller clubs drawn against the big boys, but it probably won't happen.

[Steve-o]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

Those loyal to the queen [of England] sure loved racially abusing Maurice Edu this week. Stay classy!

Like that doesnt happen EVERYWHERE (sadly)??? Stay uniformed!

And the Rangers and Celtic moving to the EPL would be wondeful for both clubs and the EPL in general. It would spice things up, lessen the amount of repeat games against repeat teams, and end the dominance in the SPL.

Also, it would level the SPL playing field immesely! Im sure Hearts would be dominant with the removal of Rangers and Celtic, but Im sure teams like St. Mirren, etc, would definitely appreciate the removal of the Big 2!

[krudmonk]

Originally Posted by Steve-o

Stay uniformed!

I'm not even wearing a uniform.

[Steve-o]

Originally Posted by krudmonk

I'm not even wearing a uniform.

Ok, that was funny, I have to admit.

UniNformed.

[krudmonk]

For insight, a bit of English perspective on the Old Firm:
Premier League Rejects Old Firm + Gartside's idea - SkyscraperCity

[Steve-o]

Celtic couldnt even hold off Dundee United! lol

[skipcromer]

Originally Posted by Steve-o

Celtic couldnt even hold off Dundee United! lol

Rangers havent exactly been tearing up the Champions League.