Christian Exodus ? (Greenville, Anderson, Union: house, employment, buy)

[wsaiken]

Originally Posted by Marks

Again, as I stated before, some of you sound so scared as if you really believe CE will take over SC. Many of you must really believe it will happen.

If you're referring to me, I'm not worried that CE will take over SC. I don't think Moonies will take over either, though they'd impose a theocracy, too, given the opportunity. Still, I might have something to say if the Unification Church intended to send in "reinforcements" to SC.

[Marks]

Originally Posted by wsaiken

If you're referring to me, I'm not worried that CE will take over SC. I don't think Moonies will take over either, though they'd impose a theocracy, too, given the opportunity. Still, I might have something to say if the Unification Church intended to send in "reinforcements" to SC.

No, not speaking to you directly. I find nothing wrong with a theocracy as long as it is of the true God and not some stupid cult.

[anonymous]

Originally Posted by Marks

No, not speaking to you directly. I find nothing wrong with a theocracy as long as it is of the true God and not some stupid cult.

I agree with you completely! Allah be praised!

[elainefin8]

Hi, and my post is confusing even to me. Can't multi-task as well as I once did.

1. Fanatics scare me. So do cults.
2. Does the CE remember the Civil War? I just don't see Washington sitting by while SC creates a new country. SC is essential to National security.
3. There are too many "others" for this one small sect to overwhelm the state anytime soon, or maybe ever.
4.There is always someone who wants to live or build a business inside a closed community. That is what will continue to keep any sect from becoming all powerful.
5. If this supposed Christian group wishes to come to SC, build homes, run business, pay taxes, spend money in the stores, come on. IF they think they are going to overthrow the govt, that's not going to happen.

That makes more sense, I think.

[Marks]

Originally Posted by anonymous

Allah be praised!

I don't think so!

[LJinPA]

OK I have a few questions perhaps hypothetical...If they were to seceed South Carolina has interstates 85 and 95 going right through it plus train routes. Many people from the populated Northeast go through the state to travel to FL. Also A lot of the goods and citrus fruit and winter crops are shipped from Florida to the Northeast via 95...Would they then have to have a passport or go through customs? They also want to strongly restrict Immigration but how long would it take to build a wall around the state? What would happen to the military bases... I know a lot of guys joining the service go to FT. Jackson for basic and that SC is important for the US military. What about the many Northern York County residents who commute to Charlotte. Would they have to go through customs to get to work? This can also split up the Augusta Metro area...
I am very aware this is quite far fetched but CE is not alone in wanting secession- some groups want all the South including Maryland to succeed. Being a former Social Science major this stuff intrigues me as well as concerns me.

If you look at the CE website they are already printing SC currency (and it's kind of pretty)lol...
Doing a couple google searches it seems they have a very close alliance (esp Cory Burnell) with The League of the South... which according to the Southern Poverty Law Center is a hate group and has a strong prescence in the area between Greenville, Anderson, Greenwood, Lexington...

I don't think extreme groups should be ignored- the groups people say are dumb hicks or crazy zealots can be dumb and crazy as foxes esp with the internet. Many have traded their crazy costumes for a suit and tie and looking at one site for the KKK, if it weren't for the name some people would have to read on for a while to realize it's a hate group since what was written was articulate and manipulative...Expressing sympathies that many mainline conservatives and Christians share...

Personally I'm a Catholic (not really a liberal but gay and lean libertarian on some social issues). I actually agree with the one person from Bob Jones saying that Christianity is best spread by love and example rather than the iron fist. There seems to be a rise in Paleo-Conservatism (the populist Conservatism of Pat Buchannan, Tom Tancredo, David Duke, the former agrarian South...) as opposed to the somewhat more "cosmopolitan" business-like NEO-conservatism of the Bushes, Cheyneys, McCain...Google the terms or go to Wikipedia for a better explaination. Although the "paleo-conservative" movement seems to be big in the rural South and among evangelical protestants though it is making in-roads with SOME traditionalist Catholics. It is also closely alligned with the Constitution Party... One Catholic writer GK Chesterton promoted similar views and I always liked his work... I even share the sentiment of being suspicious of big business/big government/big institutions, and of course beaurocracy... But it seems that in practice this "populism" seems to have a correlation with intolerance, fear, conspiracy theories (esp toward Jews, Gays, Feminists, and Masons), and lots of people including intelligent and educated ones getting brainwashed... Also spreading of paranoid propaganda regarding what groups of people are the flawlessly good guys and who are the unredeemably bad guys are... (This can go for the far left as well as the far right). I know in the Beatitudes of the Bible Jesus said "Blessed are the Peacemakers". I don't however have anything against populism in and of itself or anything against the rights of "paleo-conservatives"...

Looking at the nice photos on this forum SC seems to be making a lot of progress. A friend from up my way who is kinda jaded, has seen half the world and probably never heard of Greenville was there last fall and was quite pleasantly surprised. Christian Exodus can do a lot of damage to SC's reputation. I mean some tolerant person could start a movement across the border in NC to moce tolerant, open minded people to take over NC and start with Asheville :thumbsup: but seriously I dont like the idea of this red state blue state mentality that they have to segregate by ideology...And as a Christian and given the true loving nature if Christianity I am suspicious of any movement that contains the word "Seperatist".

[Marks]

Originally Posted by LJinPA

They also want to strongly restrict Immigration but how long would it take to build a wall around the state? What would happen to the military bases... I know a lot of guys joining the service go to FT. Jackson for basic and that SC is important for the US military. What about the many Northern York County residents who commute to Charlotte. Would they have to go through customs to get to work? This can also split up the Augusta Metro area...

I don't know what they will do. At this point it does not matter. I'm sure they will cross that bridge when they get to it.

I am very aware this is quite far fetched but CE is not alone in wanting secession

This is the impression everyone gets. CE has maintained ALWAYS that secession is the very last, last, last resort. In other words, it's unlikely that will be needed. Folks need to stop focusing on that part and look at it as a whole.

If you look at the CE website they are already printing SC currency (and it's kind of pretty)lol...

No, that's incorrect. They have produced some "Christian Exodus Silver" coins for collection and is in no way a type of money to be circulated.

Doing a couple google searches it seems they have a very close alliance (esp Cory Burnell) with The League of the South...

Wrong again. They "work" with LOS but are not closely allied with them. By the way, LOS is not a hate group.

[rogersml10]

Originally Posted by Marks

I don't think so!

I could not agree more

[Darmago]

Contrary to popular belief, America was not solely created upon the principle of majority rules. If it were just Majority rules, the union would have never been created, because All of the colonies with small populations never would have joined out of fear of being completely ignored and over-run in favor of the states with populations that outnumbered theirs by at least 3 to 1. America is based on Majority rules, and Minority Rights.

This is why the Senate was created, so that every state, no matter its population, could have a lasting and powerful say in government affairs.

This is why the well quoted phrase from the Declaration of Independence about inalienable rights has helped create an america where everyone, no matter your race or creed, is free.

This is why there are such things as the first and fourteenth amendments, which Protect our rights.


Want to cleanse America of pornography? Want to Purge America of publishing of heresy such as the satanist bible or the Necronomicon? Too bad, as long as you remain part of these United states, Freedom of the press is protected. And Seceding from the uninon won't work a second time.


Shift topics, I've noticed several defenses for CE along the lines of "If you don't think it will work, why are you afraid of it?". People aren't berating your opinion because they are Afraid of CE. They're berating your opinion because they believe that it is completely stupid. Leave defenses like that in elementary school.

[wsaiken]

Originally Posted by LJinPA

I am very aware this is quite far fetched but CE is not alone in wanting secession- some groups want all the South including Maryland to succeed.

I rarely speak in absolutes, but positively no state will secede from the USA for 100 years beyond the remotely foreseeable future. Relax.

I don't think extreme groups should be ignored . . . . And as a Christian and given the true loving nature if Christianity I am suspicious of any movement that contains the word "Seperatist".

I agree entirely, but only because people want political separation, not because I think they can achieve it. Our world is poisoned by those who, by virtue of fear, hatred or misunderstanding, would separate themselves from God's other creations. If I have a fear of a CE influx, it's that it would make SC unbearably intolerant. Were that to happen -- and I don't believe it will -- I'll "secede" myself. (I know, I know, "Good riddance!")