Can this type of racism be expected in most of South Carolina? (Greenville: crime, wedding)

[Greenville]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

You come across as ignorant of the facts....so it applied as far as I can tell.

Ignorant of the facts? The confederate flag flies on the state house grounds. Yes, it is in a memorial, but it is still on state house grounds. That is the point of contention by the NAACP.

For the record, I think the NAACP has largely become a self-serving joke of an organization, which is too bad because historically they have done some great things in the fight for racial equality.

Is it ridiculous that they agreed to relocating the flag to a memorial on state house grounds, and then proceeded to boycott? Of course it is. Is that reason enough for us to fight them and continue to give our state a bad reputation? Not in my opinion. Principle is one thing, but continuing to dig your heels in when there is no reason to is just foolish.

Of course, the confederate flag means nothing to me so I have no need to keep it where it is. But even if it did mean something to me, I would still realize that it symbolizes oppression to many people. It also gives others an avenue to portray the people of our state as a bunch of rednecks (despite the fact that we are not a bunch of rednecks). Should the flag mean any less to someone whether it is on the state house grounds or in a memorial a few miles away? I don't see why, as its historical value to that person cannot be taken away.

[oz in SC]

It was removed from above the Statehouse to the memorial....not good enough for the NAACP...so your solution is to give in to them?
Do you think the NAACP would be satisfied if the flag was removed but the memorial remained considering the wording on it?

It is more likely that NO solution is good enough for the race baiters at the NAACP because how can they continue to sucker all the guilt ridden white liberals into forking over cash.

[Chico020]

I just wish that the NAACP and South Carolina can come up with an agreement about the flag. Personally I dont mind that the flag is on state house grounds but not happy that cause its on state house grounds that sporting events cant be held in South Carolina for that reason which I think is entirely unfair to the state. These events are a chance to bring money into the state which is somthing the state really needs.

[Greenville]

Originally Posted by Chico020

I just wish that the NAACP and South Carolina can come up with an agreement about the flag. Personally I dont mind that the flag is on state house grounds but not happy that cause its on state house grounds that sporting events cant be held in South Carolina for that reason which I think is entirely unfair to the state. These events are a chance to bring money into the state which is somthing the state really needs.

I hope they can reach an agreement, too. The boycott helps no one, and in fact it probably hurts minorities in SC as much as anyone. It seems that this could be settled if both sides would come together with open minds, lock themselves in a room, and not come out until an agreement was reached. But unfortunately, this is politics we're talking about so logical solutions like that are probably not an option. Meanwhile, our state continues to suffer. It's just so stupid.

[oz in SC]

I must have missed all the 'suffering'....I guess not caring about basketball or most sport in general helps....

As to coming to an agreement,the NAACP isn't interested in resolving this non issue,they enjoy the race baiting and especially the cash it generates.

It costs a lot of $$$ to keep their leadership in the lap of luxury.

How about this for a solution,leaving it up to the PEOPLE of SC to decide.

[Greenville]

Originally Posted by oz in SC

I must have missed all the 'suffering'....I guess not caring about basketball or most sport in general helps....

The NAACP boycott has had a negative effect on the perception of South Carolina, and has also impacted tourism in general. Some people allow that boycott to prevent them from visiting our state (and spending money in our state). The NCAA has prevented any postseason tournaments from being held in our state, which also keeps people from coming to our state and spending money. That affects everyone in our state, including the African Americans the NAACP is seemingly "fighting for" with their boycott. I find that to be quite ironic. But they didn't ask me.

Originally Posted by oz in SC

How about this for a solution,leaving it up to the PEOPLE of SC to decide.

I would be fine with that. It would sure beat leaving it up to the good 'ol boys who work in Columbia. They are so out of touch with reality, and are mostly content to continue the self-serving policies that contributed to getting us into this mess to begin with. Anything to return decision making to the people of our state would be great with me!

[oz in SC]

The boycott has had little to no negative impact...

It is kind of funny to think about this boycott while sitting in traffic at Penn Center due to all the traffic for the annual Heritage days....LOL

The people of SC were polled and overwhelmingly supported KEEPING the flag.

[davey123]

Originally Posted by Greenville

The NAACP boycott has had a negative effect on the perception of South Carolina, and has also impacted tourism in general. Some people allow that boycott to prevent them from visiting our state (and spending money in our state).

I'm not native to SC, and have only lived here a short time. I guess for South Carolinians it may be relevant to focus on the role that the NAACP plays in the discussion of the Confederate Flag flying on the Capitol House grounds. I really had never focused on SC news until I moved here. So, the NAACP has no influence on my perceptions of the Confederate Flag, nor on my views about it flying on the grounds at the Capitol House. I suspect that this may be the case for many people who do not live in SC (and probably for many that live here also).

I know that I deliberated for a long time about moving to SC. One of my main points of concern was this Confederate Flag issue. I have always been adamantly opposed to the Confederate Flag because I honestly feel that it symbolizes racism and hate. I also think that many people have used it historically as that symbol. In saying this, I am not "race-baiting." In fact, I think that its not possible to race-bait on an issue that is already so extremely racialized. And again, it is important to mention that my views are not at all shaped by the NAACP.

I, obviously, decided to move to SC, despite the fact that the Confederate Flag flies on the grounds of the Capitol House. However, I do have friends that are so staunchly opposed to the Confederate Flag that they refuse to visit SC. Again, their views were not shaped by the NAACP. Rather, they were shaped by a society that has seen the Confederate Flag used as a symbol of racism and hate.

While a discussion of the NAACP may be relevant to South Carolinians when focusing on the Confederate Flag issue, it is important not to let that focus obfuscate the real issue (i.e., the Confederate Flag symbolizes racism and hate).

Originally Posted by oz in SC

The The people of SC were polled and overwhelmingly supported KEEPING the flag.

Was there an actual vote on this issue? Or, are you talking about a scientific poll that was conducted? Would you elaborate on this?

[Greenville]

Originally Posted by davey123

Was there an actual vote on this issue? Or, are you talking about a scientific poll that was conducted? Would you elaborate on this?

It was never put to an actual vote. He must be referencing an informal poll that was conducted around the time it was being debated (flying atop the state house dome or moved to a memorial on state house grounds).

[oz in SC]

It was never put to the popular vote as a referendum,but at the time of the NAACP fund raising effort in 2000 it was polled in the newspapers I believe.

As to the flag flying on the Statehouse grounds...it is flying at the war memorial to the Confederate dead,a very apt place for such a flag one would think.

Of course I imagine a lot of people would like that memorial removed from it's prominent location as well....

The flag most used by the KKK in its heyday was a little different to the flag being discussed....





To add,the KKK at its most powerful was a northern ogranisation....weirdly enough that is 'forgotten' by most northerners.