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Old 07-09-2009, 09:49 AM
 
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Perhaps this is the first time the O.P. has left New York?
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Old 07-09-2009, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Longs, SC
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I have barely been out of NYS and the times I have I wasnt looking for front plates. The car I drive is not really ment to have a plate on the front, it looks akward and silly. So being that I am moving there I was very curious to see if SC had front plates.
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Old 07-10-2009, 06:41 AM
 
Location: NH. NY. SC. next move, my ground condo
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most people aren't responsible enough to do it them selves that's why it's mandentory in almost every state. the only reason you can't run with a check engine light on is do to emissions. that is the only time it will come on. the only reason why they check seat belts and i found this out from being a firemen is that alot of seat belt retractors were not working there fore it doesn't serve it's purpose. i have lived in nh as well as ny and they are both strict on state inspections. in nh you don't have to have insurance their so strict. also to the person that wanted proof of inspections causing more accidents . why do you think sc has on of the highest insurance rates in the country ? i can bet it's because of no inspection and more accidents. i know since moving here our insurance has doubled and i have a clean record and drive an older car. we were even told that by our insurance agent the samething. i don't have figures to show you but with all the cars i've seen running around that are falling apart with pieces hanging off and falling off. if it's driver error then it's probably to do with all the broken windshields i have seen, every other car has one and that causes impaired vision because it distracts the driver from the road.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:20 AM
 
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most people aren't responsible enough to do it them selves that's why it's mandentory in almost every state. the only reason you can't run with a check engine light on is do to emissions. that is the only time it will come on. the only reason why they check seat belts and i found this out from being a firemen is that alot of seat belt retractors were not working there fore it doesn't serve it's purpose. i have lived in nh as well as ny and they are both strict on state inspections. in nh you don't have to have insurance their so strict. also to the person that wanted proof of inspections causing more accidents . why do you think sc has on of the highest insurance rates in the country ? i can bet it's because of no inspection and more accidents. i know since moving here our insurance has doubled and i have a clean record and drive an older car. we were even told that by our insurance agent the samething. i don't have figures to show you but with all the cars i've seen running around that are falling apart with pieces hanging off and falling off. if it's driver error then it's probably to do with all the broken windshields i have seen, every other car has one and that causes impaired vision because it distracts the driver from the road.
If high insurance rates are the cost of freedom - I'll take it!
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:07 AM
 
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I think that JFrracing makes a very good point. And, Tinabean drives that point home. Inspections do flag safety problems with your car. If you do not have enough money to repair your car, you may, as Tinabean stated, just get by. However, the inspections force you to get the repairs done. I do not have the statistics on whether or not this has caused less traffic accidents. Yet, I would imagine that it is always safer when people's blinkers are working, their lights or working, etc.

SC is the first state that I have lived in where I haven't been required to get an inspection. I still have my inspection sticker in my car from the previous state that I lived in. I will keep it there until it expires. After all, I did pay for it

As for the front license plate, I placed my university license plate in the front. It breaks the monotony of seeing all of those USC license plates
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:54 AM
 
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
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most people aren't responsible enough to do it them selves that's why it's mandentory in almost every state. the only reason you can't run with a check engine light on is do to emissions. that is the only time it will come on. the only reason why they check seat belts and i found this out from being a firemen is that alot of seat belt retractors were not working there fore it doesn't serve it's purpose. i have lived in nh as well as ny and they are both strict on state inspections. in nh you don't have to have insurance their so strict. also to the person that wanted proof of inspections causing more accidents . why do you think sc has on of the highest insurance rates in the country ? i can bet it's because of no inspection and more accidents. i know since moving here our insurance has doubled and i have a clean record and drive an older car. we were even told that by our insurance agent the samething. i don't have figures to show you but with all the cars i've seen running around that are falling apart with pieces hanging off and falling off. if it's driver error then it's probably to do with all the broken windshields i have seen, every other car has one and that causes impaired vision because it distracts the driver from the road.
Again, the majority of car accidents are caused by driver distraction and error, not mechanical issues. Talking to a passenger, using a cell phone, texting, changing the radio station, eating...that is fact. Over the course of several decades, there has been no conclusive evidence that mechanical faults are to blame for any significant number of accidents.

People that are not responsible enough to maintain their cars are not going to be responsible enough to give their full attention to the road while driving.

Trust me, I am certainly not a fan boy of South Carolina--our government is still in the dark ages in many regards--but I just do not buy for one second that the mandatory inspections actually do anything except produce revenue for the government.

The effectiveness of vehicle safety inspections: an analysis using panel data. | Trends & Events > Inspections from AllBusiness.com (http://www.allbusiness.com/specialty-businesses/155310-1.html - broken link)
http://www.ncleg.net/PED/Reports/doc...VSI_Report.pdf

You should look into some of the studies that show vehicle safety inspections do not improve highway safety and prove to be little more than political interest. Some studies suggest safety inspections may reduce the number of fatalities, but do absolutely nothing to reduce the frequency of non-fatal accidents.

The number of states actually requiring safety inspections is dwindling and is now 16 plus the District of Columbia. If it were truly effective, this would not be the case. Back in 1973, Congress rescinded the requirement of safety inspections in order for states to receive federal highway funds due to lack of evidence they actually reduced the accident rate.

Why does South Carolina have such high insurance rates? It is because we have a high accident rate because laws are not enforced. People drive without licenses (especially common with our illegal immigrant population who also do not typically carry insurance), they drive with suspended licenses, operating vehicles without at least liability insurance, they drive while intoxicated with few consequences. That is the reality of living in this state.

South Carolina also has the highest rate of violent crime in the nation. What sort of government inspection could create a false sense of lowering that statistic?
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Old 07-10-2009, 11:59 AM
 
Location: NH. NY. SC. next move, my ground condo
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all your points are very good and also some information i wasn't aware of. i see your point about insurance rates being so high. we just moved here back in march and it doesn't seem like it's that bad but then again we live where it's pretty rural and there isn't to much around us.
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Old 07-10-2009, 08:44 PM
 
Location: home state of Myrtle Beach!
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My insurance rates dropped by half when I moved from Chicago to Greenville. I understand that everyone's situation is different but I just don't understand how you could be paying more here.
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Old 07-10-2009, 09:19 PM
 
Location: Columbia, SC
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Again, the majority of car accidents are caused by driver distraction and error, not mechanical issues. Talking to a passenger, using a cell phone, texting, changing the radio station, eating...that is fact. Over the course of several decades, there has been no conclusive evidence that mechanical faults are to blame for any significant number of accidents.

People that are not responsible enough to maintain their cars are not going to be responsible enough to give their full attention to the road while driving.

Trust me, I am certainly not a fan boy of South Carolina--our government is still in the dark ages in many regards--but I just do not buy for one second that the mandatory inspections actually do anything except produce revenue for the government.

The effectiveness of vehicle safety inspections: an analysis using panel data. | Trends & Events > Inspections from AllBusiness.com (http://www.allbusiness.com/specialty-businesses/155310-1.html - broken link)
http://www.ncleg.net/PED/Reports/doc...VSI_Report.pdf

You should look into some of the studies that show vehicle safety inspections do not improve highway safety and prove to be little more than political interest. Some studies suggest safety inspections may reduce the number of fatalities, but do absolutely nothing to reduce the frequency of non-fatal accidents.

The number of states actually requiring safety inspections is dwindling and is now 16 plus the District of Columbia. If it were truly effective, this would not be the case. Back in 1973, Congress rescinded the requirement of safety inspections in order for states to receive federal highway funds due to lack of evidence they actually reduced the accident rate.

Why does South Carolina have such high insurance rates? It is because we have a high accident rate because laws are not enforced. People drive without licenses (especially common with our illegal immigrant population who also do not typically carry insurance), they drive with suspended licenses, operating vehicles without at least liability insurance, they drive while intoxicated with few consequences. That is the reality of living in this state.

South Carolina also has the highest rate of violent crime in the nation. What sort of government inspection could create a false sense of lowering that statistic?
South Carolina has high insurance rates? I only pay about $700 a year for full coverage on a 3 year old Volvo. I don't think that's high. I agree about the ineffective state government here, but the reason for the high violent crime rate is because of domestic violence. If you can figure out how to empower people to make better choices of friends/spouses then I'm all ears.
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Old 07-11-2009, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Hilton Head Island, SC
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SC is not the highest, Washington DC followed by New Jersey are. South Carolina is right in the middle for average premiums, though not "cheap." North Carolina is significantly cheaper while Georgia is quite a bit more expensive (on average).
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