U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > South Dakota
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 1.5 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
Jump to a detailed profile or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Business Search - 14 Million verified businesses
Search for:  near: 
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-08-2008, 11:46 PM
 
20 posts, read 79,245 times
Reputation: 38

Advertisements

People have been trying to fix Pine Ridge for decades and decades. Did it ever occur to anyone that when the land is useless for farming and mostly useless for ranching that there might not be any fix possible.

A Native American family discovered recently that INDUSTRIAL hemp (no relation to marijuana) for making the huge ropes used to tie large ships like cruise ships to the docks will grow very well on the reservation land without all kinds of irrigating and fertilizing. It likes poor soil. Congress ill advisedly put INDUSTRIAL hemp on the list of controlled substances, though they allow it to be imported from Canada for rope manufacturing. If Congress would take it off the list of controlled substances, since it has less than one tenth of one percent of the intoxicant THC and no one can get high from it or extract enough THC to make an illegal drug, or give the people at Pine Ridge permission to grow it, there would be the beginnings of a good industry for the area. This is a Native American solution. That same family installed a modern wind mill for their own use, and have shown that it will work. However, wind farms require a very large outlay of money to pay for all the windmills, which are very expensive and require a lot of equipment to install. Most people in Pine Ridge probably couldn't get a big enough loan to start a wind farm.

Beyond something like another crop that grows well in poor soil, doesn't require irrigation and all kinds of fertilizer that no one could afford, such as INDUSTRIAL hemp (the first sign of hope I've ever heard of for Pine Ridge), Pine Ridge may very well be unable to be fixed. I hope they get the Black Hills back.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-09-2008, 07:22 AM
 
Location: Sioux Falls
230 posts, read 406,852 times
Reputation: 354
Well, I know President Clinton as well as some Senators and personnel from the HUD offices went to the Pine Ridge Reservation and there were a bunch of grants and assistance to help with housing projects and things of that nature. I have also seen where the people on the Reservation are trying very hard to develop the schools as well.

I have continued to look into this because as I've stated, I wasn't aware before and am interested. It seems to me that it requires a dual effort. Part on the government of the United States to recognize the importance of the people who are a part of our Country and its history and (a greater part) on the people of the reservation to address the issues at hand on the reservation. I understand there are social programs in place, but I'm not familiar with how many, the staffing, or the budget involved.

The alcoholism is HUGE, but I will follow that with an apparent corruptive edge to things within the organization there to help it's own people. People want to liken the reservation to a third world country and I would agree with that based on the fact the corruption is a huge element in keeping third world countries in the predicament they find themselves in.

If the police there to protect it's own people are raping and extorting from their own, the alcoholism is just the tip of the iceberg.

I'd also like to add, it makes it difficult to help people that frown upon outsiders and claim to not want their help. Just my two cents...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2008, 10:02 AM
 
Location: So. Dak.
13,496 posts, read 25,513,305 times
Reputation: 14858
Poly, did you know that they didn't actually live in the Paha Sapa before the white man came this direction? They were fearful of it because it looked so ominous. After the Europeans went into it, the Sioux followed so I don't understand the reasoning of giving it back to them.

They were given land~a lot of fertile ag land just south of here. I don't remember the specifics right now, but each person (Or family) were given a quarter of good, rich farmland. They sold it to settlers. That is something else that they want back.

Everything is such a mess that the best thing that could happen is that the reservations be dissolved and we just all live together and get along. The Sioux who have left the reservation integrate well. Some of them learn a bit about work ethics and some don't. Alcoholism still interferes in their lives and that's unfortunate. Some of them can hold jobs while many aren't capable of it. BUT that could change in generations to come.

It just seems ironic that they want so many things given to them because we "took their land". What did they give to the Arikara when they chased them off?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2008, 10:17 AM
 
20,046 posts, read 15,354,079 times
Reputation: 16352
Jammie you hit the nail on the head. The Lakota Sioux were not in the this country before white man. In fact the first Europeans had contact with the likes of the Arikara. Disease and indian wars did their part to remove them from South Dakota.

The mean at which the Lakota ended up with this land was by war. So that being said the land was fair game. It was not stolen from any one unless you want to give it back to the Arikara.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2008, 08:59 PM
 
20 posts, read 79,245 times
Reputation: 38
Default Sioux got pushed out of Minnesota to South Dakota

You shouldn't use Paha Sapa in an article for the general public. They won't know that it means Black Hills.

Whether or not the Lakota people in Pine Ridge should get the Black Hills is not a debatable issue. It was guaranteed to them forever in the early treaties, and the Supreme Court has upheld those treaties. They own the Black Hills whether they ever lived there or not. There are signs of repeated temporary camping there by native Americans. The govt, as I said earlier, wants the Native Americans to accept a monetary payment for the Black Hills. The Lakota want the Black Hills.

The land surrounding the Black Hills is pretty good, even if you think you should avoid the Hills themselves. Wind Cave Nat'l Park has good herds of buffalo, deer, elk, antelope, and tourists. Custer State Park has heards of the same and also wild donkeys which escaped from a circus train and settled in.

So there is ranchable land in the next counties (Fall River and Custer) to Pine Ridge (Shannon County). They're probably considered part of the Black Hills, or at least some of their towns are.

The Sioux tribes were originally in Minnesota. The arrival of Europeans on the East Coast pushed all the tribes in the US west. The Sioux tribes ended up in the Dakotas and became buffalo hunters.

But we can't argue any more about why the Lakota tribes should have the Black Hills. The Supreme Court says it belongs to them by treaty.

Why do so many people seem to think that the govt started programs for Pine Ridge and that the people just sat there and stared or something and didn't take advantage of the opportunity? The local people have participated enthusiastically in all the many programs, ill planned or not, that have been tried in Pine Ridge. When the majority of people on the Reservation has inadequate housing, it doesn't really make a drop in the bucket to build a new housing project for a few hundred or even a thousand. The govt specializes in giving less than is needed, hoping the private sector will take over. The private sector has never shown any interest in Pine Ridge. And it doesn't make any difference to build a few hundred housing units anyway, because there are only enough jobs in Pine Ridge for about 15% of the people. Even most alcoholics can hold down a job for a long time before their alcoholism is so uncontrollable that they can't keep a job anymore, as I said in an earlier post on this subject.

There are now two (I think) community colleges on the Reservation, and the fact that the students can get educated right in their own community and don't have to deal with Euro Americans, who prejudge them as unmotivated, and get moral support, understanding, and encouragement from their own people, has resulted in a very large increase of Native Americans getting higher education. They don't seem to have any problems with motivation.

The casino at Pine Ridge is a success. The people working and managing the casino don't seem to have any problem with motivation, either.

It makes me very sad to see so many people posting with the assumption that the Native Americans at Pine Ridge don't do their part or are unmotivated.

There still aren't any jobs for 85% of the people in Pine Ridge.

The Black Hills belong to them forever, and I hope they get the Black Hills back.

Last edited by Polycarp of John; 10-09-2008 at 09:11 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-09-2008, 10:41 PM
 
Location: So. Dak.
13,496 posts, read 25,513,305 times
Reputation: 14858
You shouldn't say, "Get them BACK" since they never had them to begin with.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-10-2008, 12:02 AM
 
20,046 posts, read 15,354,079 times
Reputation: 16352
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jammie View Post
You shouldn't say, "Get them BACK" since they never had them to begin with.


polycarp have you visited western South Dakota? Just curious.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-10-2008, 01:45 AM
 
20 posts, read 79,245 times
Reputation: 38
Default Already answered

Quote:
Originally Posted by rjl78 View Post


polycarp have you visited western South Dakota? Just curious.
I already answered this in a previous post in this thread, but I'll answer again. I lived in southwestern South Dakota for more than 20 years.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-10-2008, 09:21 PM
 
Location: eastern us
9 posts, read 29,647 times
Reputation: 14
Hi

Industrial hemp was mentioned as a crop.

How about lavender? I think that may be a crop that can grow in sandy soil, lots of sun. Don't know about the water requirements. Perhaps they could have lavendar farms and sell both online and maybe a supplier to bath shops, whatever.

I am thinking about in the future relocating to South Dakota. I am interested in volunteering on the reservation. Anyone know what type of volunteering opportunities are there?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-10-2008, 10:41 PM
 
20 posts, read 79,245 times
Reputation: 38
Default Volunteering at Pine Ridge

I don't know what's going on there now, but Holy Rosary Mission and its Red Cloud Indian School used to have a volunteer program. VISTA, the govt's program and also Americorps might have something on the Reservation. The health service in Pine Ridge might use volunteers. Contact the Pine Ridge Indian Hospital. You could also contact the tribe at their offices. It's probably named the Lakota tribe now.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:




Over $89,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > South Dakota

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2014, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25 - Top