Crossing the Line??? (live, law, dangerous)

[Jammie]

Sweetlady, I totally agree with you. There's much more to pollution then cigs.

Funny how there are a few holier then thous out in the world and how it's so easy to say, "Just quit". Those comments come from people who have obviously never been addicted to anything and good for them. I've never been blessed to be so perfect.

Don't misunderstand~not everyone who doesn't like the smell of smoke is like that. Some people actually do realize that it's an addiction, but I've said enough on that subject. I don't like the smell of most alcohol, but that doesn't mean I disrespect those who like to have a few drinks.

AND Homesteader, isn't it miraculous how suddenly they've started on something else? They're still hitting on the overweight, too and that's only started. Bummer though cause I like to drink pop. Good info.

And Dreamworks, since you pay taxes in Massachusettes, you already pay a massive fortune more in taxes then a South Dakota smoker so just keep on paying them.

The funny thing is that the Drs. in Sx. Falls are so against the petition that will be coming out cause thousands of more lives will be lost if this law doesn't go into effect July 1st. BUT they said they'll have their coalition out if this does go to a vote. You know, the one that is children/students who are against tobacco? Good for them if they choose not to smoke, BUT are we ready to have the children start making the laws for us? Obviously we are. Funny cause I thought you still have to be 18 to even vote, but we probably better change that, too. At one time, children were to be seen and not heard. I don't agree with that, but once they start taking over, it's a bit too much.

[SDHomesteader]

Ok sorry but had to make an emergency trip back down to iowa for a family Friend Funeral and have been gone since Thursday night. And No it wasn't a Cigarette related death.

Man this really bothers me. It seems that people just want to bad mouth smoking and don't really give a damn about the fact that this is surely the guvment crossing the line and making every damn little decision for us whiny ass humans. As I said before, regardless of how the hell you feel about smoking, the smoking bans, along with any other kind of bans is a bad idea. But since the mentality of most humans is CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL, more than likely this ban will pass just as it does in all the other states. Its NOT about the smoking, Its About THE DAMN CONTROL Factor. This ban goes into effect, WHATS NEXT. Its also about the so called freedom of choice that I thought we were allowed to have. Ya start banning things and that freedom of choice gets smaller and smaller and smaller. Damn why is that so friggin hard to understand. How many of you actually believe out there that the guvment has NEVER EVER lied to the public or has NEVER done anything Wrong. Regardless of how you feel about smoking, Don't let this law go into effect, lets show the rest of the damn country that our freedoms aren't to be taken for granted just because some whiny ass american can't go into an alternate business that doesn't allow smoking and now feels they have to force EVERYONE to not smoke around them. And where the hell is the ACLU on this matter, Still defending them Civil Rights of the Illegals???? (don't even get me started on that crap).

I swear to Gawd, if this were a ban on alcohol it would be prohibition again. But we can't do that now can we. Too many politicians, Lawyers and Doctors (and apparently 90% of the rest of the damn country) live for alcohol (an addiction as well).

Smoking is not at the Expense of the Public, the Public has the choice of moving to a non smoking area 5-10 feet away from a smoker, choosing to go into a Smoking establishment. What the hell is so hard to understand about that. No what it really boils down to is damn Control, that all, nothing more to it than Control control control. And everyone wants in on the action of controlling another person even if its in the form of Secondhand controlling.

[MJ1986]

Originally Posted by SDHomesteader

Ok sorry but had to make an emergency trip back down to iowa for a family Friend Funeral and have been gone since Thursday night. And No it wasn't a Cigarette related death.

Man this really bothers me. It seems that people just want to bad mouth smoking and don't really give a damn about the fact that this is surely the guvment crossing the line and making every damn little decision for us whiny ass humans. As I said before, regardless of how the hell you feel about smoking, the smoking bans, along with any other kind of bans is a bad idea. But since the mentality of most humans is CONTROL CONTROL CONTROL, more than likely this ban will pass just as it does in all the other states. Its NOT about the smoking, Its About THE DAMN CONTROL Factor. This ban goes into effect, WHATS NEXT. Its also about the so called freedom of choice that I thought we were allowed to have. Ya start banning things and that freedom of choice gets smaller and smaller and smaller. Damn why is that so friggin hard to understand. How many of you actually believe out there that the guvment has NEVER EVER lied to the public or has NEVER done anything Wrong. Regardless of how you feel about smoking, Don't let this law go into effect, lets show the rest of the damn country that our freedoms aren't to be taken for granted just because some whiny ass american can't go into an alternate business that doesn't allow smoking and now feels they have to force EVERYONE to not smoke around them. And where the hell is the ACLU on this matter, Still defending them Civil Rights of the Illegals???? (don't even get me started on that crap).

I swear to Gawd, if this were a ban on alcohol it would be prohibition again. But we can't do that now can we. Too many politicians, Lawyers and Doctors (and apparently 90% of the rest of the damn country) live for alcohol (an addiction as well).

Smoking is not at the Expense of the Public, the Public has the choice of moving to a non smoking area 5-10 feet away from a smoker, choosing to go into a Smoking establishment. What the hell is so hard to understand about that. No what it really boils down to is damn Control, that all, nothing more to it than Control control control. And everyone wants in on the action of controlling another person even if its in the form of Secondhand controlling.

Interesting. I'm trying to keep a very open mind. I'm thinking of the abortion ban by a certain Brandon lawmaker. That has really irked me.

I'm all for the smoking ban. I was questioning my thoughts on this, but I was in Minneapolis this past weekend... We walked into the bar... and it smelled so clean! I loved it. It didn't smell like smoke.
People smoked outside... The same as any workplace.
The workers, nor the patrons inside were exposed to the toxic fumes...
Were the folks outside freaking out because they had to smoke outdoors? Nope... They were OK with it.
Control? They're just trying to protect the public (toxic fumes... not a fan of)... And I'm all for that... I don't want to breathe in nasty cigarette smoke!
If you live in a small town, yes I can see your anger. I grew up in a small town of 250, with a bar. The people that worked there... they're exposed to it... those toxic chemicals in the air.

[SDHomesteader]

MJ, see thats just it, Those people that work their have the CHOICE to work their or not, Those people have the CHOICE to visit a bar that allows smoking or not. Therefore there is no expense of the public unless someone who doesn't smoke is stupid enough to visit a place that would allow smoking. WE don't need the guvment holding our hands for everything, WE are ADULTS and can make the conscious decision to visit a smoking establishmnet or not, WE DON"T NEED THE GUVMENT DICTATING TO US WETHER WE (the business owners who Pay the rent, Pay for inventory, pay the taxes on the everything in their store) can allow smoking or not. ITS THE BUSINESS OWNERS DECISION, NOT THE GUVMENTS. thats what it all boils down too.

[MJ1986]

Originally Posted by SDHomesteader

MJ, see thats just it, Those people that work their have the CHOICE to work their or not, Those people have the CHOICE to visit a bar that allows smoking or not. Therefore there is no expense of the public unless someone who doesn't smoke is stupid enough to visit a place that would allow smoking. WE don't need the guvment holding our hands for everything, WE are ADULTS and can make the conscious decision to visit a smoking establishmnet or not, WE DON"T NEED THE GUVMENT DICTATING TO US WETHER WE (the business owners who Pay the rent, Pay for inventory, pay the taxes on the everything in their store) can allow smoking or not. ITS THE BUSINESS OWNERS DECISION, NOT THE GUVMENTS. thats what it all boils down too.

Ridiculous... So I should not apply/work at a certain place because of the toxic air? And I shouldn't visit a certain place because they allow smoking? Sorry, but I have very different views from you. And I assume "guvment" means "government"?

[SDHomesteader]

I'm not saying you shouldn't apply their, I'm saying you have a CHOICE to apply there or not.

[Jammie]

All is well. They just had an article in yesterday's paper that one of our local bars applied for an extension of his liquor license to cover the new area he's building. It sounds like it'll be an outdoor smoking/drinking area that will be enclosed. Not exactly sure how that works, but it looks like the City Council will give him the extention on his liquor license and they commented that they're sure more bars will follow his lead.

I'm still waiting for someone to answer what increase in taxes they are willing to pay because of lost revenues.

I'm also curious how many new bills/laws we are going to let minors bring forward. Might sound cool to some until some 15 year old decides that YOUR personal addiction/habit doesn't suit THEIR lifestyle choices. Funny thing how we're allowing and encouraging this. There's even a new book out about the narcissistic generations we've encouraged. Even though I believe Narcississm is affected by the frontal lobe of the brain, I also believe that encouraging self-centeredness and power in a young life can enhance it. One of the things the book mentions is the stupidity of allowing a young child to choose which car the family will buy. Absolutely no difference here. They're minors and can't even vote and they are the ones who were behind this bill that the govt. was intimidated into passing into law.

[tijlover]

Originally Posted by belami28

I will keep you in formed on how cigarette priceses are treated here. Tobacco has been cheaper on the reservation. The prices have been on seperate on reservation labels. Might go up from 24.50 to 30.50. Still make cigarrettes from filter tubes, cost abought 10.00 dollars per 250.

I've been doing this for 6 years now, and as a result, I'm a healthier smoker, I buy the big bags of tobacco, dry them on a cookie sheet until they're dry, crush it all with my hands, and feed it into empty filter tubes. I buy Indian tobacco. Better quality. Could never, ever go back to the trashy cigarettes they sell at the stores.

Here, in Las Vegas, at the current legislative session, we're now going to allow smoking in establishments, even serving food, as long as there is no children allowed. Hopefully, Nevada will now set a good example for the rest of the country.

When traveling in Chile, I noticed they have signs outside the bars, one where you may see SMOKING BAR, and another NO SMOKING BAR. You have your choice. Let those who want to spend another 10 years on this poor-excuse-for-a-planet go to the non-smoking bars. When the enivetable nuclear holocaust arrives, the non-smokers are only then going to see that cigarette smoke wasn't so dangerous afterall.

[SDHomesteader]

Originally Posted by tijlover

I've been doing this for 6 years now, and as a result, I'm a healthier smoker, I buy the big bags of tobacco, dry them on a cookie sheet until they're dry, crush it all with my hands, and feed it into empty filter tubes. I buy Indian tobacco. Better quality. Could never, ever go back to the trashy cigarettes they sell at the stores.

Here, in Las Vegas, at the current legislative session, we're now going to allow smoking in establishments, even serving food, as long as there is no children allowed. Hopefully, Nevada will now set a good example for the rest of the country.

When traveling in Chile, I noticed they have signs outside the bars, one where you may see SMOKING BAR, and another NO SMOKING BAR. You have your choice. Let those who want to spend another 10 years on this poor-excuse-for-a-planet go to the non-smoking bars. When the enivetable nuclear holocaust arrives, the non-smokers are only then going to see that cigarette smoke wasn't so dangerous afterall.

ROFLMAO, and don't forget the radiation the eminates from all the damn television sets everyone has to have in each of their rooms.

Thats the way the law should be changed to read, Require that anyone that allows smoking in their establishment post a sign, SMOKING ALLOWED, if they don't allow it, post NO SMOKING ALLOWED and let WE the PEOPLE decide whether to walk through that door or not. We as smokers, (whether you like smoking or not) DON"T NEED PEOPLE TELLING US WHETHER WE CAN SMOKE OR NOT.

That is what I am trying to get through to, We have the right to decide which business we should frequent if they allow smoking or not, the business owner should be the one to make that decision not some snot nosed whiny consumer that thinks they need the guvment or as jammie has pointed out, some 15yr old snot nosed whiny consumer to hold their hand. The Business owner is the one footing the bill for his shop, not the snot nosed whiny consumer that needs his or her hand held for every little thing they don't like.

[Jammie]

TIJ, that's funny. Speaking of signs, you don't wanna drive around Mitchell right now cause the little PeeWee Hermans have been out in force putting up signs ALL over about "No smoking allowed" or something like that. I'm talking about lawns and up by houses and by the schools, etc. First of all, they don't belong in bars to begin with nor do they belong in gambling establishments. The silly parents/adults who are going along with this to "protect the children" better worry more about keeping them out of places they don't belong in the first place.

Indian tobacco, huh? HMMMM, something to think about, I guess.

It's all so relative. I know a 42 year old gal who just passed away. She'd taken Phen Phen when she was young and it messed her up terribly. SO, she had to take so many drugs to keep her going from the things the diet pills had done to begin with. BUT you see diet pills readily available at DRUG STORES of all places.

Another case in point~they've discovered that denture grip~poli-grip and fixodent~are causing zinc poisoning which also takes the copper out of your system. Several cases of ill denture wearers. Someone went to the Dr. and complained about the numbness and the Dr. said it was because he's a smoker. WELL, the non-smokers don't even appear to have to be tested for the zinc poisoning. It's just a given that it's there. Kind of the double standard when a 40 year old man had a heart attack and ended up in Sx. Falls. The Dr. was snooty until he learned he wasn't a smoker cause he immediately blamed it on that. His whole demeanor changed when he discovered the guy was a non-smoker.

AND these are the same people who are keeping the stats on what is spent on the healthcare of a smoker and who has died from smoking. They're also not the type of people who should be involved in making laws anymore so then the minors should be. And I wonder what those busy-body gals from Sx. Falls who sat in on the legislation~right in front of their rep~making threatenting remarks of how they'll never see office again if they don't vote the way they want them to~wonder what those busy-bodies are up to now.

Oh yea, they're after taxing that horrible thing we call "POP".