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For whatever reason, you have an investment in your point of view.
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Originally Posted by harry chickpea
Reread my posts and you'll find that my primary question is if there is intelligent life that can interact with and change it's environment in a meaningful way, contemplate the nature of the universe, and in some way communicate.
Harry, you're killing me here. Your attempt to argue the contrarian viewpoint might work better if you were less cogent. You must know that given the interstellar distances in consideration to say nothing of the vagaries of physiology involved... I mean... cetaceans (dolphins, whales) are as intelligent as humans and we can't figure out how to communicate with them nor them, us. What makes you imagine that cjg5 is not dead on correct and attempts to communicate with us are not already in progress?
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Originally Posted by harry chickpea
If you want me to say there are rudimentary life forms elsewhere, I'll admit to that being probable, if you will admit in turn to not positively knowing something that you don't positively know.
If there is the slightest probability of rudimentary life out there somewhere (or is it "somewhere out there) then there is just as likely a probability of more advanced life out there somewhere. I will not admit anything. You are the one defending the weak argument. The existence of Earth and its mantle of life are all the evidence a rational being needs to extrapolate the probability of similar entities elsewhere in the Universe.
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Originally Posted by harry chickpea
Space is an incredibly hostile environment to life. Dreaming that there just might be an Enterprise out there, somewhere, in a Ford Major Galaxy far... far... away... is still only dreaming.
That hasn't been anyone's point of view that I have noticed. Indeed, space is hazardous to life.... life as we know it, at any rate, but it is unlikely that the home planet of an extraterrestrial species will be hostile to their survival. They may be using radio telescopes to transmit naked pictures of themselves the way humans etched pornography onto the side of the Voyager probes, anodized the filth with gold plating, and blasted it out of the Solar System to be intercepted by who knows what, long after our Sun has gone nova. Throw down your weapon, Harry. It's over. Allow yourself to be assimilated into the Collective. Resistance is futile.
Harry, you're killing me here. Your attempt to argue the contrarian viewpoint might work better if you were less cogent. You must know that given the interstellar distances in consideration to say nothing of the vagaries of physiology involved... I mean... cetaceans (dolphins, whales) are as intelligent as humans and we can't figure out how to communicate with them nor them, us. What makes you imagine that cjg5 is not dead on correct and attempts to communicate with us are not already in progress?
Ahhh, the Justin Beiber argument (or however it is you spell it now, it used to be the Miss U.S.A. argument, and before that the Dan Quayle argument). Attempts at communication presuppose a DESIRE to communicate. For all we know, given the multidimensionality of string theory, pet rocks could be intelligent. They just don't choose to share that with us.
If there is the slightest probability of rudimentary life out there somewhere (or is it "somewhere out there) then there is just as likely a probability of more advanced life out there somewhere. I will not admit anything. You are the one defending the weak argument. The existence of Earth and its mantle of life are all the evidence a rational being needs to extrapolate the probability of similar entities elsewhere in the Universe.
Won't admit anything, huh? Vee haff vays of MAKING you talk... (evil grin and cackle) Where were YOU on the night of January 16th? The existence of earth and its mantle of life makes me extrapolate that there might be a universe full of "Cops" and "Veedleborp Has Talent." You call that intelligent life? Hah!
Seriously, PROVE your point. Show me Sargent.
That hasn't been anyone's point of view that I have noticed. Indeed, space is hazardous to life.... life as we know it, at any rate, but it is unlikely that the home planet of an extraterrestrial species will be hostile to their survival. They may be using radio telescopes to transmit naked pictures of themselves the way humans etched pornography onto the side of the Voyager probes, anodized the filth with gold plating, and blasted it out of the Solar System to be intercepted by who knows what, long after our Sun has gone nova. Throw down your weapon, Harry. It's over. Allow yourself to be assimilated into the Collective. Resistance is futile.
Naked pictures of the Borg? That IS disgusting.
Read some of Fred Hoyle's old sci-fi. Then extrapolate that the current popular viewpoint may not always be correct.
And crawling... on the planet's face... some insects... called the human race. ...
Your attempt to argue the contrarian viewpoint might work better if you were less cogent. You must know that given the interstellar distances in consideration to say nothing of the vagaries of physiology involved... I mean... cetaceans (dolphins, whales) are as intelligent as humans and we can't figure out how to communicate with them nor them, us.
LOL
If you're going to use "fancy" words in a desperate attempt to impress, you might want to at least ensure you know their meaning.
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If there is the slightest probability of rudimentary life out there somewhere (or is it "somewhere out there) then there is just as likely a probability of more advanced life out there somewhere.
No there isn't, because more advanced life has more requirements to exist, eg more evolution, must exist a lot longer to have time for that evolution, etc etc etc.
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I will not admit anything.
That's painfully clear.
Oh well, thanks for making it clear that this thread is played out.
Harry, you're killing me here. Your attempt to argue the contrarian viewpoint might work better if you were less cogent. You must know that given the interstellar distances in consideration to say nothing of the vagaries of physiology involved... I mean... cetaceans (dolphins, whales) are as intelligent as humans and we can't figure out how to communicate with them nor them, us. What makes you imagine that cjg5 is not dead on correct and attempts to communicate with us are not already in progress?
If there is the slightest probability of rudimentary life out there somewhere (or is it "somewhere out there) then there is just as likely a probability of more advanced life out there somewhere. I will not admit anything. You are the one defending the weak argument. The existence of Earth and its mantle of life are all the evidence a rational being needs to extrapolate the probability of similar entities elsewhere in the Universe.
That hasn't been anyone's point of view that I have noticed. Indeed, space is hazardous to life.... life as we know it, at any rate, but it is unlikely that the home planet of an extraterrestrial species will be hostile to their survival. They may be using radio telescopes to transmit naked pictures of themselves the way humans etched pornography onto the side of the Voyager probes, anodized the filth with gold plating, and blasted it out of the Solar System to be intercepted by who knows what, long after our Sun has gone nova. Throw down your weapon, Harry. It's over. Allow yourself to be assimilated into the Collective. Resistance is futile.
ClearNight says :
I believe your disposition on this relies primarily on a limited comprehension of quantity causation.
If your going to give credence to the Big Bang Theory or something similar to acknowledge creation, how can it be that difficult to strongly guess that
exact similarity in a star would contradict the source of creation.
The above occasion took place in space , through space with time and is in satisfaction of the initial momentum. The activity of the Big Bang would
require a slanted moment in order to produce an identical or almost identical star.
If you have trouble with above may I suggest going out on a wintry day and looking for two identical snowflakes !
If you hate the cold, thats OK, you can search for two identical finger prints.
Not trying to be funny or anything, I just can't understand why quantity
in perception should suggest potential for exact similarity, when it is primarily .....
illogical . Illogical relative to the existence of quantity itself.
Last edited by ClearNight; 10-04-2010 at 09:49 PM..
It doesn't matter. You'll be lucky to live within a period, before we wipe ourselves from the universe, that you'll even have the opportunity to travel the distances needed to prove life exist, or meet them and shake their extremities, in other galaxies.
Even if there were billions of other lifeforms in this universe the time needed to reach them would almost certainly allow them enough to wipe them clear off the short list.
You and I are alone, face it. Embrace it, but don't give in to it. There is the 1/120,000,000,000,000 chance you'll win the lottery.
Last edited by BigJon3475; 10-04-2010 at 10:21 PM..
Gliese 581, located 20 light years away from Earth in the constellation Libra, has two previously detected planets that lie at the edges of the habitable zone, one on the hot side (planet c) and one on the cold side (planet d).
It doesn't matter. You'll be lucky to live within a period, before we wipe ourselves from the universe, that you'll even have the opportunity to travel the distances needed to prove life exist, or meet them and shake their extremities, in other galaxies.
Even if there were billions of other lifeforms in this universe the time needed to reach them would almost certainly allow them enough to wipe them clear off the short list.
You and I are alone, face it. Embrace it, but don't give in to it. There is the 1/120,000,000,000,000 chance you'll win the lottery.
Of course it doesn't matter. The interest is in qualifying the UFO junk.
Even if a UFO landed on my driveway I would figure it to be future man
dinkering with time.
Then BigJohn, I would run out and ask for the winning numbers to that lottery
You could shot, one shot, from an AK-47 towards the Atlantic and hope to hit some poor fisherman in his boat in the sea who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Your chances of doing so are far greater.
You could shot, one shot, from an AK-47 towards the Atlantic and hope to hit some poor fisherman in his boat in the sea who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Your chances of doing so are far greater.
Do I have to aim towards the Atlantic , or can I aim somewhere else ?
Do I have to aim towards the Atlantic , or can I aim somewhere else ?
Depends on your interpretation of wave theory...
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