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Old 12-16-2011, 01:48 AM
 
Location: University City, Philadelphia
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I am open to the possibilities of not a universe, but "multi-verses" and parallel universes.

Is it not possible that we still don't have a clue about the space and time continuum ... that we still don't really understand the infinite and complex nature of the cosmos? We are so much in a hurry to formulate conclusions and come up with satisfactory answers that seem logical and comprehensible about something that may defy our logic and beyond our present intellect and understanding?

I am amused by the theory that all is Maya - pure illusion - that we and everything we perceive is non-matter because we are all just the figments of imagination in the dream of a sleeping Hindu god.
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Old 12-16-2011, 08:25 AM
 
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I am amused by the theory that all is Maya - pure illusion - that we and everything we perceive is non-matter because we are all just the figments of imagination in the dream of a sleeping Hindu god.
Some of the ancient greek philosophers pondered this as well as i always liked the paradox ''Archilles and the Tortoise''postulated by Zeno of Elea (late 400's b.c.) showing that all motion is an illusion .
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Old 12-16-2011, 08:30 AM
 
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Sure, everybody knows it's turtles all the way down.

Somebody mentioned the idea of a multiverse. I think that could exist. And who knows, maybe some day some of them will meet.
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Old 12-16-2011, 12:54 PM
 
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I thought this was funny:

Why is the Higgs boson called the "God particle?"
The popular nickname for the elusive particle was created for the title of a book by Nobel Prize winning physicist Leon Lederman -- reportedly against his will, as Lederman has said he wanted to call it the "Goddamn Particle" because "nobody could find the thing."
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Old 02-04-2012, 04:43 PM
 
Location: The Island of Misfit Toys
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A Universe is relative to what you are.

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Old 02-04-2012, 05:46 PM
 
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A Universe is relative to what you are.

I'd be inclined to word that in reverse. What we are is relative to the Universe.
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Old 02-04-2012, 05:54 PM
 
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I'd be inclined to word that in reverse. What we are is relative to the Universe.
I would alter that a bit and say: That you are is relative to a universe.

In other words, you can't be if the current state of the universe does not support a life form such as you. Things may change in the future but, for now, you don't exist.
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:57 PM
 
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I would alter that a bit and say: That you are is relative to a universe.
I completely agree. We are at least relative to the universe we live in. Without the universe, or if conditions of the universe were different, we would not exist. To describe it as "a" universe, implies that we alreaady know there are indeed other universes. That's certainly possible, but we don't know one way or the other. The reason I say "the" universe, is because it's the only one we actually know of.
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Old 02-04-2012, 11:42 PM
 
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I completely agree. We are at least relative to the universe we live in. Without the universe, or if conditions of the universe were different, we would not exist. To describe it as "a" universe, implies that we alreaady know there are indeed other universes. That's certainly possible, but we don't know one way or the other. The reason I say "the" universe, is because it's the only one we actually know of.

Actually, when I say "a" universe I don't mean there are plural universes. Frankly, I don't think there are multiple universes. What I mean is, the universe can change over time. So at one time there is this universe and at another time there is that universe.

Multiple universes would have to exist somewhere simultaneously. To exist is to exist somewhere. "a somewhere to exist" is a quality of a universe. To exist inside a universe is not to be a universe but only a component of a universe. So that's why I don't beleive in multiple universes.

Just because we can't breath under water doesn't make it another universe. Just because we can't pass through a copper wire like an electron doesn't make it another universe. Just because we can't get to the other side of a black hole doesn't mean there's another universe on the other side. It's all the same universe.

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Old 02-06-2012, 11:56 AM
 
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Actually, when I say "a" universe I don't mean there are plural universes. Frankly, I don't think there are multiple universes. What I mean is, the universe can change over time. So at one time there is this universe and at another time there is that universe.

Multiple universes would have to exist somewhere simultaneously. To exist is to exist somewhere. "a somewhere to exist" is a quality of a universe. To exist inside a universe is not to be a universe but only a component of a universe. So that's why I don't beleive in multiple universes.

Just because we can't breath under water doesn't make it another universe. Just because we can't pass through a copper wire like an electron doesn't make it another universe. Just because we can't get to the other side of a black hole doesn't mean there's another universe on the other side. It's all the same universe.
The problem with having a singular universe is that it inevitably leads to space-time paradoxes. For example, in a singular universe one could never travel back in time and kill their grandfather before their father was born.

Whereas, a multiverse concept eliminates those space-time paradoxes. Merely appearing back in time creates a whole new "universe" where a whole new future now exists. So one could kill their grandfather before their father is born in a multiverse, thus spawning a completely different future from the time-traveler's perspective. Unfortunately, in a multiverse concept a time-traveler could never return to their original "universe." Once someone travels in time, just the fact that they now exist in a different time alters that timeline irrevocably.

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