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Old 01-23-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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Why's that?
Simply put - we have had technology for only about 100 years + or -. There are solar systems out there that are millions to billions of years older than ours. Assuming all things are equal and some form of intelligent life formed on those planets at the same stage our planet evolved intelligent life - that other specie would have a milllion-billion year jump on us in terms of technology development. Provided this, they likely have found us already, do not want to influence our evolution into space (until contact is unavoidable) and have decided to keep their distance.
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:35 AM
 
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If we found Signals in space, (If SETI found something) or maybe if one of our Rovers, or Satellites, came across Intelligent Alien Life on another Planet, Moon, or whatever else. This Proof was undeniable, it wasn't a false alarm,

Would you care?
Would you want the government to spend more money spent to investigate?
Would you want to try to communicate?
Would it somehow change the way you lived?
Would it somehow change the way you look at the world or universe?

Just wondering.
blow em out the sky and ask questions after
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:57 AM
 
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If we found intelligent life on earth I would be thrilled.

"Blow em out of the sky and ask questions later..." FUNNY!!!!! Will Smith is the man!
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Old 01-23-2012, 03:57 PM
 
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Simply put - we have had technology for only about 100 years + or -. There are solar systems out there that are millions to billions of years older than ours. Assuming all things are equal and some form of intelligent life formed on those planets at the same stage our planet evolved intelligent life - that other specie would have a milllion-billion year jump on us in terms of technology development. Provided this, they likely have found us already, do not want to influence our evolution into space (until contact is unavoidable) and have decided to keep their distance.
Prime Directive, lol.

Watching Star Trek makes space travel and other lifeforms seem so commonplace that it would be only natural.

Sure the reality of an initial "first contact" would be strange and exciting, and I think our societies would be forever changed.

It would be awesome if an advanced society came and shared their technology with us, but if they're advanced enough to space travel, then they need tons of resources and would probably just take them...
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Old 01-23-2012, 10:20 PM
 
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Prime Directive, lol.

Watching Star Trek makes space travel and other lifeforms seem so commonplace that it would be only natural.

Sure the reality of an initial "first contact" would be strange and exciting, and I think our societies would be forever changed.

It would be awesome if an advanced society came and shared their technology with us, but if they're advanced enough to space travel, then they need tons of resources and would probably just take them...
That's actually what Stephen Hawking believes I think. He's of the opinion that any intelligent life that might appear in Earth's orbit would be hostile.

However, I think that there's really no way to know if they would actually want or need our resources. If they're that advanced, then they might have recycling technology that we cant even imagine. The universe if full of energy resources (especially from the stars) so it is doubtful that any fuel sources here on earth would be of any use to them either.

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Old 01-23-2012, 10:38 PM
 
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but if they're advanced enough to space travel, then they need tons of resources and would probably just take them...
As skeptical as I try to be, it is hard to come up with a better explanation for cattle mutilations. Someone is extracting organic parts extremely rich in hormones from large docile mammals readily found untended all over the planet. Under circumstances and surgical techniques that cannot be reconciled with any terrestrial explanation. Without a single incident in which humans have been caused any more than token economic harm.

Not tons of resources, but high concentrations of renewable biological resources that would be extremely difficult to synthesize.

Having gone that far, one would need to consider that they are not necessarily extraplanetary, but could be another ancient and unknown earth species, that has been forced to take refuge in a subterranean or subpelagic environment on earth, and has so far escaped detection by anyone who is taken seriously. With no direct solar energy in their new habitat, they could be forced to harvest certain sunlight-dependent chemicals from other surface denizens. If their migration beneath the surface took place before (or during) the ice age, there is a very good chance that any archaeological evidence of their civilization has long since been ground into moraines or sunk beneath the rising sea.

I've viewed a fresh cattle mutilation scene, accompanied by a veterinarian, a meat cutter, a stockman, and a law officer with decades of crime scene experience, all of them God-fearing rural Kansas Republicans. Nobody had a better explanation, nor even a sightly plausible one. Nobody offered the one above, either, that's my own theory.

I'm not holding this out to be true, but only putting it on the table as a realistic non-belligerent scenario of contact.

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Old 01-24-2012, 12:57 AM
 
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That's actually what Stephen Hawking believes I think. He's of the opinion that any intelligent life that might appear in Earth's orbit would be hostile.
I don't think that's quite true about Hawking. His thinking is that there's a chance some advanced form of intelligent life might (not would) be hostile. And if it's highly advanced and hostile, we might not know its intentions or have a chance to defend ourselves if necessary. Hawking's suggestion is that it's a good idea to be cautious and not advertise our existence too early. The idea is that it might be better to just silently 'listen' first and try to figure out what they're saying and learn more about them as to whether they present a threat or not. That trait probably goes back to early hominids who would have been ever cautious to avoid dangerous predators in order to survive. It probably wouldn't have been a very good idea to leave a trail of fresh meat that leads directly to the tribe's front door.

There's no reason to think that some kind of highly advanced life forms might not view us as anything other than how we think of houseflies. It's also possible that a highly advanced life form could be some kind of predator or parasite, or looking for natural resources. Gronk, where's the Human-B-Gon spray? These pesky things are crawling all over the place!

On the other hand, they might indeed be peaceful, but as you indicated, there's no way for us to know who would be willing to share their advanced technologies with us, and who would be interested in having us as lunch. We might not be at the top of the food chain. Gronk, is there any more roast human left in the fridge? Go ahead, spin the wheel. You might come up a winner, or you might end up as dinner.



"Twilight Zone" promo for "To Serve Man" - YouTube
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Old 01-24-2012, 09:35 AM
 
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If we found Signals in space, (If SETI found something) or maybe if one of our Rovers, or Satellites, came across Intelligent Alien Life on another Planet, Moon, or whatever else. This Proof was undeniable, it wasn't a false alarm,

Would you care?
Would you want the government to spend more money spent to investigate?
Would you want to try to communicate?
Would it somehow change the way you lived?
Would it somehow change the way you look at the world or universe?

Just wondering.
You might not know the difference between where the organism is and the computer/machine ends.

Or, maybe there really was an Apollo 18 which was disavowed by the government...
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Old 01-24-2012, 10:52 AM
 
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I don't think that's quite true about Hawking. His thinking is that there's a chance some advanced form of intelligent life might (not would) be hostile. And if it's highly advanced and hostile, we might not know its intentions or have a chance to defend ourselves if necessary. Hawking's suggestion is that it's a good idea to be cautious and not advertise our existence too early. The idea is that it might be better to just silently 'listen' first and try to figure out what they're saying and learn more about them as to whether they present a threat or not. That trait probably goes back to early hominids who would have been ever cautious to avoid dangerous predators in order to survive. It probably wouldn't have been a very good idea to leave a trail of fresh meat that leads directly to the tribe's front door.

There's no reason to think that some kind of highly advanced life forms might not view us as anything other than how we think of houseflies. It's also possible that a highly advanced life form could be some kind of predator or parasite, or looking for natural resources. Gronk, where's the Human-B-Gon spray? These pesky things are crawling all over the place!

On the other hand, they might indeed be peaceful, but as you indicated, there's no way for us to know who would be willing to share their advanced technologies with us, and who would be interested in having us as lunch. We might not be at the top of the food chain. Gronk, is there any more roast human left in the fridge? Go ahead, spin the wheel. You might come up a winner, or you might end up as dinner.



"Twilight Zone" promo for "To Serve Man" - YouTube
Even if ET did come in peace, could you imagine what it would do to the global economy? Especially tech industries. Suddenly our technology would be worthless. Stock markets around the globe would crash overnight.

Lol @ Human-B-Gone! I could use some of that myself when I'm working and don't want to be disturbed.
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:35 PM
 
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Prime Directive, lol.

Watching Star Trek makes space travel and other lifeforms seem so commonplace that it would be only natural.

Sure the reality of an initial "first contact" would be strange and exciting, and I think our societies would be forever changed.

It would be awesome if an advanced society came and shared their technology with us, but if they're advanced enough to space travel, then they need tons of resources and would probably just take them...
A Prime Directive type of reasoning is really the only explanation of why we have had zero contact. If/when they find evidence of life having existed on Mars, Europa, Enceleadus - then one has to assume the process of life is a natural phenomenon occuring throughout the universe - even in the harshest conditions (outside of what we now call the habitable zone from a star). If I am correct then, out of the billion or so solar systems in our own galaxy alone, one with a million year+ head start has likely had some evolved form of life visit our planet. It may have occured back when dinosaurs roamed or may even be occuring now but, it is more than likely something extra-terrestrial has stepped foot on our planet at one point.

I don't fully agree with Stephen Hawkings point about an alien specie coming here just to rape our planet of resources. Likely with the technology they have, they can maufacture what they need synthetically. With our 100 year old technology, we are on the path to this ourselves with the 3D printer. In another 100 years, who knows what this invention will be capable of.
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