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Old 01-23-2012, 06:06 PM
 
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Now this makes a heck of a lot of sense

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Russian Space Agency Roscosmos is in talks with its European and U.S. partners on the creation of manned research bases on the Moon, the agencies chief, Vladimir Popovkin, said on Thursday.
Roscosmos Revives Permanent Moon Base Plans | Science | RIA Novosti
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Old 01-23-2012, 08:30 PM
 
Location: Wasilla Alaska
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Shouldn't the Russians worry about making rockets that launch things into outer space reliably before they worry about colonizing the moon?
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Old 01-23-2012, 09:33 PM
 
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Shouldn't the Russians worry about making rockets that launch things into outer space reliably before they worry about colonizing the moon?
Actually, Russia's rockets are much more reliable than ours. They've lost 3 astronauts while we've lost 14, and almost lost another three during the Apollo project. You know, one of the ones conspiracy theorists claim never happened.
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Old 01-23-2012, 09:34 PM
 
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I think it is a great idea for ESA, NASA, and the Russians to cooperate in such an endeavor. It increases the chances of success, while spreading the risk.
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Old 01-24-2012, 12:45 AM
 
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I think it is a great idea for ESA, NASA, and the Russians to cooperate in such an endeavor. It increases the chances of success, while spreading the risk.
Plus quite a bit more money can be spent on the project.

The Russians have the heavy lift capacity, the Americans the miniaturization and the EU their engineering expertise.

With a common goal for all just maybe some of these petty squabbles that break out amongst these powers will take a back seat for the good of humanity.

Also with a common base on the moon fears would be allayed that one of the powers is militarizing the moon. (yes I know space has already been militarized.

This is the type of cooperation we need to see from our leaders if we are to break free of this sickness on Earth called money and have different things to look forward to.

The Golden Exploration Roadmap (PDF Download)

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...TIffGuX_efm8vw

for the men and the womem it will be true chance to actually live and actually intagrate with their "enemies: and might just find out......... holy sh8t, yousse guys just like us, families, bill paying, corrupt cops, stupid politicians...

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Old 01-24-2012, 12:57 AM
 
Location: PRC
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Naaaah - "They" will never let anyone on the Moon. At least, I hope not.

Just because time has passed since the landings, does not mean that "They" have forgotten or changed their mind about how bad the human race is. It serves us right really. We are dirty, disgusting, bunch of humans who mess up their own world. If we want to go to another world, we have to learn how to respect it and the people who live there. THAT wont happen anytime soon.

Anyone not believing that there are already civilisations on the Moon has to live with their head in the sand like an ostrich.

Countries make big space plans to allow them to divert money into space projects which never complete. It is all part of the black budget.
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Old 01-24-2012, 01:35 AM
 
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Naaaah - "They" will never let anyone on the Moon. At least, I hope not.
Ahhh the famous "they" - care to expand on who they are?

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Just because time has passed since the landings, does not mean that "They" have forgotten or changed their mind about how bad the human race is.
is this a different "they" than the "other they"?

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It serves us right really. We are dirty, disgusting, bunch of humans who mess up their own world. If we want to go to another world, we have to learn how to respect it and the people who live there. THAT wont happen anytime soon.

Anyone not believing that there are already civilisations on the Moon has to live with their head in the sand like an ostrich
You have been watching too many Flash Gordon and Mysterian movies

~ Was it Ming the merciless?
~ Queen Fria?
~ The Lord of the Dungeons?
~ Dr Zarkov?
~ Or was it Brukka, Chief of the Giants in Mongo's Ice Kingdom.

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Countries make big space plans to allow them to divert money into space projects which never complete. It is all part of the black budget.
Funny Sky Lab was constructed, completed and sent into orbit. so was Space Lab, constructed and sent into orbit still fulfilling it's mission even as I write this.

Perhaps you would like to share with us all these countries that divert money into space projects which never complete?
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Old 01-24-2012, 01:39 AM
 
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Actually, Russia's rockets are much more reliable than ours. They've lost 3 astronauts while we've lost 14, and almost lost another three during the Apollo project. You know, one of the ones conspiracy theorists claim never happened.
I was referring to this.

Spaceflight Now | Breaking News | Soyuz booster fails in launch of communications satellite
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Old 01-24-2012, 01:41 AM
 
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We've been lucky recently, but surely have had our share of launch failures. They will get past it. And none of those boosters would ever be used to launch a station on the Moon.
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Old 01-24-2012, 02:01 AM
 
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We've been lucky recently, but surely have had our share of launch failures. They will get past it. And none of those boosters would ever be used to launch a station on the Moon.
No, it would be launched in components on individual rockets, the ones that they are having trouble with. The link detailed their issues recently, not just with the comm satellite.

I'm not saying they aren't capable of doing it, they were the first to put something in orbit. Even if it was just a hunk of metal that went "beep beep" it was a major milestone. I'm just saying that they need to sort that stuff out before the good folks on the ISS run out of groceries.

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"Yes, there are problems, and we need to modernize," Popovkin said, saying Russia needs to upgrade facilities at its spaceports and tracking facilities.
Popovkin also highlighted the aging of the Russian space workforce as a systemic problem.
As for the number of people killed in space launches we're tied for failed manned spacecraft launches, it's just that both shuttles had 7 people on them. Things go wrong, unfortunately sometimes people are onboard when they do.


My point, while expressed in a slightly flippant manner, was that before they go designing a moon colonizing plan, they should get the bugs worked out of their delivery mechanisms so that we don't watch a few billion bucks worth of our cash, their cash, and any other participants cash, turn into a debris field scattered over the countryside.



There's always a chance that it could happen no matter how careful you are, but it'd be good to minimize that chance. Think about taking a long road trip in your car that has been making strange noises and having trouble starting recently. You'd probably get that looked at before you planned a cross country expedition right?

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_spaceflight

There's a chart down near the bottom that shows the launches that, unfortunately, claimed lives.

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