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Old 05-31-2012, 12:56 PM
 
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I wouldn't waste the time or money. But, if we do don't send hippies...or pigeons.


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Old 05-31-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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And the Martians are spending billions & trillions of dollars trying too get too are planet. The little Nubian with the Roman outfit and scrub brush on the helmet.


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And we have only explored less than 10% of are oceans...
LOL.. Is that Billions and trillions in American Dollar, or Martian currency?

Tin Man, if you compared our solar system to the Milky Way Galaxy, or the Milky Way, to the entire universe, it would probably be like a small stone on Mount Everest. Humans spent too much time and effort fighting each other since the begining of time, that's probably why we haven't gotten too far in space exploration.
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Old 05-31-2012, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow in "OZ "
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I look at this whole cosmos thing like that little charm hanging around the cats collar in Men in Black.
Some day some where a 6th grade kid will be out in his back yard with his grandfather looking threw a $49.95 telescope at what every and find a " Giant EYE" looking back.. the kid will need physiotherapy for the rest of his life the grandfather will have heart attack..and no one will understand why? And on the other side of the telescope. A 6th grader will be looking into his snow globe his grandfather just bought him....

The theory I read about is 13-14 billion years ago the Big Bang occurred hurling massive chucks of matter into space.. and now they say all that matter is slowing down and eventually starting to moving back too where it came from.. the red ball and paddle theory........

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Old 05-31-2012, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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You go first.
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:23 PM
 
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The theory I read about is 13-14 billion years ago the Big Bang occurred hurling massive chucks of matter into space.. and now they say all that matter is slowing down and eventually starting to moving back too where it came from.. the red ball and paddle theory........
Well they changed their minds as now they claim everything is expanding further and faster than anticipated.
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Old 05-31-2012, 03:28 PM
 
Location: Abilene, Texas
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I say yes we should go to Mars! I've been a huge fan of NASA and all of their missions for as long as I can remember. NASA needs a major mission, and one that would establish its prominence again. A manned mission to Mars fits the bill. Space exploration, and the scientific discoveries that naturally come with it are priceless IMHO. Our federal government spends billions of dollars every year that's wasted on absolute nonsense and politically motivated insanity of every sort. Why not take some of those dollars and do something that could potentially alter our knowledge base forever.
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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No, with all the problems on earth its ridiculous to waste millions maybe billions going to Mars. Think how much food that could buy for those starving. There are so many better ways that this vast amount of money could be used. It really makes me furious when there are so many serious problems here that need fixing. Of course the people making these decisions are so out of touch with the common man they haven't a clue nor do they care.
I always think that is the strangest argument. A decade-long Apollo-like manned Mars mission would cost a fraction of our defense budget for a single year.

People think of these things in microeconomic terms instead of macroeconomic terms. The actual raw material cost (the metal alloys and synthetic materials making up the vehicle, the fuel, food & water, etc) for a manned mission is probably no more than $500,000. The other $249,999,500,000.00 would be R&D, precision manufacturing, testing, training, etc. The funny thing about spending all that money on R&D, new methods of precision manufacturing, testing, training, etc is that it doesn't happen in a vacuum. It ripples out into the private sector, spurring new advances and industries unrelated to any space mission. It also continues for decades after the program ends.

When you're talking about money in the context of a large project like this, you have to understand just what money really is. On its face it's only a green sheet of paper, but what it represents is a measure of production.

Guess how much money America, as a whole, lost on Apollo. How much do you think it hurt our GDP, and reduced our productivity?

If you were to take apart an iPhone, you could trace innovations in nearly every major component back to Nasa funded research. The battery chemistry, the composite materials research, the GPS chip, the guy who invented the CCD camera worked on Apollo research and the first concept for digital photography was researched by a Nasa scientist, most of Apple's earliest innovations came out of the Augmentation Research Center which was funded by Nasa in 1964 (without the Nasa-funded ARC, Apple probably would never have existed), even the early internet had its first publicly accessible node at Nasa Ames (prior to that, access to the "internet" was limited to universities and the military).

The argument that we have problems here on earth is actually one of the best arguments for projects like this. Some of those earth-based problems are a lack of jobs for college grads, needing more skilled engineers, needing to grow US based manufacturing, needing more US innovation. Working on highly advanced engineering projects is incredibly productive work, and why dollars invested in them usually return several times that in long-term GDP growth.
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Arizona, The American Southwest
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No, Venus is off limits to men. Go mess up Saturn or some other planet.
Keep in mind that Saturn is not a solid planet, like Mars or Venus, it's classified as a Gas Giant, so with all the gases in its atmosphere, it's already messed up.

Venus is too close to our star in our solar system, the sun, so it's too hot.. Venus' surface temperature is believed to be over 800 degrees farenheit.... and it's a dry heat..
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:54 PM
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Location: San Antonio/Houston/Tricity
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No, with all the problems on earth its ridiculous to waste millions maybe billions going to Mars. Think how much food that could buy for those starving. There are so many better ways that this vast amount of money could be used. It really makes me furious when there are so many serious problems here that need fixing. Of course the people making these decisions are so out of touch with the common man they haven't a clue nor do they care.
If we just stop wasting money on wars and on government pleasure spending - there will be so much left for other things!
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Old 05-31-2012, 04:56 PM
 
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow in "OZ "
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Keep in mind that Saturn is not a solid planet, like Mars or Venus, it's classified as a Gas Giant, so with all the gases in its atmosphere, it's already messed up.

Venus is too close to our star in our solar system, the sun, so it's too hot.. Venus' surface temperature is believed to be over 800 degrees farenheit.... and it's a dry heat..
Must be like this
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