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Old 08-01-2012, 02:28 PM
 
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Flatness Problem: To call a spade a spade.

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The Flatness Problem
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatness_problem
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http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/cosmos/F/Flatness+Problem
. . . etc.
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There are many different spaces: 2 dimension space, 3D space,
4D, 5D . . . .. .10D, 11D . . . . maybe more.
There are also ‘ closed’ and ‘open’ spaces.
There are many topological spaces too.
Question:
Which space has the Universe as a whole?
Answer:
It is fact: the ]Universe as a whole has exactly the required density of matter to be flat.
The average density of matter in the universe (even incorporating a dark mass and dark energy )
is equal to or less than critical density and therefore the universe
as a whole is a flat infinite continuum.
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But the physicists refuse to admit this fact .
Why ?
Because they don’t know that to do with ‘ a flat infinite continuum’.
And they ‘ burned ‘ the real infinite flat cosmological continuum
( using different abstract models ) to rid it of its infinite flatness.

And from Einstein’s time they discus about cosmological
constant that will close the flat- open Universe into a close- sphere.
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The Universe as a whole is an Infinite Flat Universe.
Only in some rare places the Infinite Flatness is breaked.
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So, instead to say : ‘ we need to call a spade a spade’
they say: ‘ If there’s nothing wrong with me then,
maybe there’s something wrong with the Universe. ‘
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' But I don't want to go among mad people,' said Alice.
'Oh, you can't help that,' said the cat. 'We're all mad here.'
/ Lewis Carroll.
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. /

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Old 08-02-2012, 02:07 PM
 
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Flatness Problem: To call a spade a spade.
...or would you rather call it a big tool?
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Old 08-03-2012, 04:27 PM
 
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Yes, space is flat but space-time is curved. When you plug that into Einstein's field equations, you get gravity.
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Old 08-07-2012, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Israel
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Yes, space is flat but space-time is curved.
When you plug that into Einstein's field equations, you get gravity.


Vacuum is an Empty space between billions and billions Galaxies.
Now (!) the physicists think (!) that the Universe as whole has
temperature: T= 2,7K . The parameter T=2,7K is not constant.
It is temporal and goes down. In the future it will come to T= 0K.
From quantum point of view vacuum is some kind of Energy
space: E= ∞
The average density of matter in the universe (even
incorporating a dark mass and dark energy ) is equal to or
less than critical density ( p= 10^30g/sm^3 ) and therefore
the universe as a whole is a flat infinite continuum.
It is true we cannot reach the T= 0K and we also cannot reach
this density ( p= 10^30g/sm^3 ) of vacuum.
But just because we cannot reach this Vacuum’s
parameters does it mean that it cannot exist ?
#
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it,
does it make a sound?
If unseen virtual antiparticles can appear from vacuum (!)
( Vacuum’s fluctuations / transformation / polarization )
and we can observe them as a real particles doesn’t it mean
that vacuum itself is an Absolute Reference Frame which
has its own physical parameter – Absolute Zero: T=0K.
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The infinite space-vacuum is timeless, the eternity reign there.
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Again.
The universe as a whole is a flat infinite continuum.
Only in some rare local places this flat infinite continuum
is curved because masses do this.
But these masses are only 4% of all matter in the Universe.
96% is a dark matter and energy.
=.
All the best.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus.

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Old 08-07-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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Speaking of space, what an anomaly in that everything we see and feel as solid is actually 99% empty space.
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Old 08-07-2012, 05:42 PM
 
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Where is the problem other than the problem of mankind being on a ego trip thinking they know how the Multiverse works?
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Old 08-08-2012, 01:21 AM
 
Location: Maryland not Murlin
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Vacuum is an Empty space between billions and billions Galaxies.
Now (!) the physicists think (!) that the Universe as whole has
temperature: T= 2,7K . The parameter T=2,7K is not constant.
It is temporal and goes down. In the future it will come to T= 0K.
From quantum point of view vacuum is some kind of Energy
space: E= ∞
The average density of matter in the universe (even
incorporating a dark mass and dark energy ) is equal to or
less than critical density ( p= 10^30g/sm^3 ) and therefore
the universe as a whole is a flat infinite continuum.
It is true we cannot reach the T= 0K and we also cannot reach
this density ( p= 10^30g/sm^3 ) of vacuum.
But just because we cannot reach this Vacuum’s
parameters does it mean that it cannot exist ?
#
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it,
does it make a sound?
If unseen virtual antiparticles can appear from vacuum (!)
( Vacuum’s fluctuations / transformation / polarization )
and we can observe them as a real particles doesn’t it mean
that vacuum itself is an Absolute Reference Frame which
has its own physical parameter – Absolute Zero: T=0K.
#
The infinite space-vacuum is timeless, the eternity reign there.
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Again.
The universe as a whole is a flat infinite continuum.
Only in some rare local places this flat infinite continuum
is curved because masses do this.
But these masses are only 4% of all matter in the Universe.
96% is a dark matter and energy.
=.
All the best.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus.

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Where is the problem other than the problem of mankind being on a ego trip thinking they know how the Multiverse works?
Well, the idea is that if the universe was expanding in all directions equally than at some point its mass would become too great and it would collapse in on itself. And since that has not happened yet, and since it does not appear as if it will happen anytime soon (in a cosmic sense), the only other option is that the universe is flat. The kicker is that no one really knows, however, the idea of the Big Bang is generally the accepted idea of how our Universe began. It is the one theory that makes sense based on our understanding of physics, Laws of Thermodynamics, and mathematics. Ironically, all three of those only came into existence shortly after the Big Bang as prior to the Big Bang has no meaning to humans seeing as how there was once nothing (yet something) prior to the existence of the Laws of Thermodynamics. The human mind simply cannot comprehend the concept of nothing coming from something, cause and effect.

But, going to the OP, there are three types of flat universes:

1. Something that is flat and linear like a plank.
2. Something that is a hyperbolic paraboloid and flat, yet curved, like a piece of limp paper.
3. Something that is a hyperbolic paraboloid and flat, yet curved and connected to many others in a geodesic sphere, with each pane being its own universe as part of a Poincaré disk. This would satisify the idea of multiple universes, source material for the Big Bang, and how the Universe could expand will remaining flat.
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Old 08-11-2012, 11:09 PM
 
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How is possible to understand the Flatness ?
How is possible to understand the Infinite Flat Universe ?
What is possible to say about a cold Kelvin space T=0K ?
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Flatness is a Vacuum.
Vacuum is an Empty space between billions and billions Galaxies.
Now (!) the physicists think (!) that the Universe as whole has
temperature: T= 2,7K . The parameter T=2,7K is not constant.
It is temporal and goes down. In the future it will come to T= 0K.
#
In my opinion this cold Kelvin space T=0K has old physical -
classical model so-called ‘ model of an Ideal Gas’.
Now we think that model of ‘ Ideal Gas is an abstraction’,
but this abstraction suit very well to another ‘ abstraction ‘,
to ‘a cold zero Kelvin space.’
These two models have negative temperature, and
in these two models there are ‘abstract ideal – virtual particles’.
And to have real model is needed something to change in these
abstraction models .. . .. and this change can be only quantum.
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Now, let us put an elemenrary particles in the cold Kelvin space:
T = 2,7K ---> 0K. Which geometrical form they can have ?
The answer is: ‘ They must be flat particles.’
Why?
Because according to Charle’s law and the consequence of the
third law of thermodynamics as the thermodynamic temperature
of a system approaches absolute zero the volume of particles
approaches zero too. It means the particles must have flat forms.
They must have geometrical form of a circle: pi= c /d =3,14 . . . .
#
All formulas, equations and laws of ‘ an Ideal Gas’
is possible to use to the Infinire Vacuum T=0K.
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All the best.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus.
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Old 08-17-2012, 06:10 AM
 
Location: Israel
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P.S.
The universe is flat on the large scale, as per the scientific
evidence provided by WMAP.
Thus the universe was known to be flat to within about 15% accuracy
prior to the WMAP results.
WMAP has confirmed this result with very high accuracy and precision.
We now know that the universe is flat with only a 0.5% margin of error.
WMAP- Shape of the Universe.
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Old 08-17-2012, 12:29 PM
 
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P.S.
The universe is flat on the large scale, as per the scientific
evidence provided by WMAP.
Thus the universe was known to be flat to within about 15% accuracy
prior to the WMAP results.
WMAP has confirmed this result with very high accuracy and precision.
We now know that the universe is flat with only a 0.5% margin of error.
WMAP- Shape of the Universe.
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Flatness only applies to what can be detected within our limited range of the observable universe. Although there are estimates, we don't really know the how large the actual universe is. If could well be so large that our view of it may be a tiny part of the entire universe. It's entirely possible that the actual universe is somewhat spherical and only looks flat to us because we're unable to detect its curvature. The observable universe may be so small to the actual universe, that it could be like comparing the size an atom to the observable universe.
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