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View Poll Results: Moon Base, Mars Base or Neither
Moon 15 62.50%
Mars 4 16.67%
Neither. Let the robots do all the dirty work. 5 20.83%
Voters: 24. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-18-2018, 04:52 PM
 
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Really? Thats what we are told, yes.

However, we are also told by scientists studying Mars that there is a radioactive signature which cannot be from a natural source. It HAS to be weapons grade materials exploded on the planet. ( PDF - 46th Lunar and Planetry Science Conference 2015)

What other anomalous events or situations point to past planetry life?
Correction. One plasma physicist whose conclusion and submission has not been accepted by peer reviewed journals has made that claim.
Analyzing data from the 2001 Mars Odyssey orbiter, which carried a gamma ray spectrometer, Brandenburg observed a local concentration of radioactive uranium, thorium and potassium in two specific areas on Mars. His first idea was that there was at least one natural nuclear reactor on Mars, analogous to the one discovered in Gabon in 1972. At the 2011 Lunar and Planetary Science Conference he published a poster on these findings.[1][2]

Later, he proposed that the elevated ratio of 129Xenon to 132Xenon in the atmosphere of Mars could only be explained as the aftersignature of a nuclear weapon. He suggests that massive explosions occurred in in Mare Acidalium at approximately 50°N 30°W,near Cydonia Mensa and in Utopia Planum at approximately 50°N 120°W near Galaxias Chaos, claiming they are both locations of possible archaeological artifacts.[3][4] This idea has been challenged by astronomers and other scientists who have shown that there is another more likely and more mundane explanation for the observed xenon isotope ratios.

Brandenburg has cited a paper by Horgan & Bell from Geology 2011 but the article offers no real support for his contention. Horgan & Bell report widespread volcanic glass and do not even mention trinitite. The entire Northern hemisphere of Mars shows evidence of past volcanism—there is nothing special about the two areas Brandenburg focuses on.

His submissions have not been accepted by peer-reviewed journals. J. Cosmology doesn't count. [Bolding mine]

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/John_Brandenburg
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Old 01-20-2018, 11:47 AM
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I voted for "neither, let robots do all the dirty work".

Yes, it's fun to imagine humans living on another planet, but that's not going to happen any time soon and certainly not during the construction phase of the colonies (if there ever be any on the surface).

If anything, I'm more for orbital habitats, in aerosynchronous orbit (mars-synchronous), with an elevator to the surface.

1. You can make the spin of the "orbitals" 1G, avoiding the health problems with long-term exposure.
2. More radiation shielding on the station than on the Martian surface (I understand even ordinary water works as an excellent shield for some forms of dangerous non-photonic particles. I also see no reason you can't use solar energy to generate a magnetic field around the ship. Together with the water, that'll make a strong enough radiation shield.
3. Mars' weaker gravity and smaller size just about makes the space elevator concept plausible for that world (traveling down to the surface, whether for business or vacation time - and check up on / repair the construction robots building a surface colony).

As for the moon, it might be a great place for older wealthy people to retire to, for they don't have to fight Earth's gravity to get around. Similar story goes for Mars, even if to not quite as great an extent.

ADDED: both places, but especially the moon, may make for a great industrial base. There, you can set up manufacturing processes that would be ecologically dangerous on earth. No life on the moon, no pollution in any substantive sense. Yes,more expensive to ship the finished goods, but it'd be a cheaper and simpler process due to the lack of need for environmental regulations. MMmm, well, I suppose in this case, the moon could get so crowded with industrial bases that it could change the color of the moon - do damage to animals that evolved to expect a bright white moon...but simply paint the factories as the same color of the lunar surface, and that solves the problem.
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Old 01-23-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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...As for the moon, it might be a great place for older wealthy people to retire to...
Yeah, it sounds like paradise.
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