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Old 03-17-2018, 04:43 PM
 
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This is just semi-wild speculation on my part.
That's all it is. And that's really the problem with the hoaxers. They don't have any actual technical knowledge to back up their assertions. They just whip up some improbably scenario based on their worldview, and keep repeating it in hopes of it getting traction.

 
Old 03-18-2018, 06:36 PM
 
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Both countries wanting to keep their people enthusiastic about the space race. Also, there is some evidence showing Yuri Gagarin wasn't the first in space.


This is just semi-wild speculation on my part.


I just noticed post #199 about cosmonaut deaths in space and insufficient redundancy.
The USSR cheated with the Vostok program in that the cosmonaut ejected before landing.

I don’t doubt that Gagarin was first in space, but Alan Shepard was the first to go into space and land inside the spacecraft.

The initial Soyuz capsule was as much of a lemon as the Block I Apollo command module. Read about Komarov’s issues during Soyuz 1, and his (approved) demand before launch for an open casket funeral. Pictures show just charred remains.
 
Old 03-21-2018, 04:57 PM
 
Location: NW NJ & SE Oahu
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Most of the die-hard Apollo conspiracy theorists really are wacky.
They've been taking it into unknown realms of wacky stupidity....

...and even further:

•untainted, definitive, superlative stupidity.
•paradigmatic, trend-setting, prototypical stupidity.
•archetypal, olympian stupidity.
•paragon, exemplifiable, touchstone stupidity.
•benchmark, criterial, gold standard stupidity.
•embodied, epitomized, nonpareil stupidity.
•peerless, unsurpassable, comprehensive stupidity.
•embodiment, quintessential, immortalized stupidity.

 
Old 03-21-2018, 07:04 PM
 
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Tell us what you really think!

You forgot the tin hat variety of stupidity, btw.

LMAO!!
 
Old 03-22-2018, 01:33 PM
 
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Ohhhh, don't get me started on the tin-hats...

Some close relatives' old work was credited in the design of the Apollo spacecraft, so I do sorta have a horse in this race.
 
Old 03-22-2018, 03:06 PM
 
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A friend worked on designing the interior pieces and parts. One was the seats iirc. A lot of effort to "fake" it in a desert.
 
Old 03-22-2018, 03:09 PM
 
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We literally need air bags to bounce Rovers off the surface of Mars when we send something up there now.....

BUT somehow in the 60's we had the technology to smoothly land a rudimentary vessel (at best) gentle as a feather..... AND have it smoothly take off again, have enough fuel to get back and program the capsule to land exactly on Earth where we wanted in to..


Just sayin'...
 
Old 03-22-2018, 03:18 PM
 
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Why use air bags when there is a pilot on board? Why use expensive, heavy, unnecessary technology to land a craft on Mars when airbags will. And when the craft with airbags lands it bounces around before settling. Why do you think that would be a good thing to do with a craft holding astronauts?

Do try to use logic once in a while.
 
Old 03-22-2018, 03:47 PM
 
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We literally need air bags to bounce Rovers off the surface of Mars when we send something up there now.....
You're behind the curve. Curiosity soft-landed using a skycrane back in 2012.

The airbags were cheap, lightweight and way less complicated, and good enough - which is what engineering is about.

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BUT somehow in the 60's we had the technology to smoothly land a rudimentary vessel (at best) gentle as a feather...
Well, we had a very complex pattern recognition and course correction system known as an "astronaut" in the loop. Neil Armstrong was a piloting demigod, take a look at his career.

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AND have it smoothly take off again, have enough fuel to get back and program the capsule to land exactly on Earth where we wanted in to..
Don't think anyone ever described the lunar ascent as "smooth", and again - with astronauts making course corrections (backed by massive mainframes right here on Earth doing the math), it's not a crazy hard problem to solve.

But in the interest of full inquiry: Which particular technology do you feel wasn't up to the task, and why?
 
Old 03-22-2018, 06:19 PM
 
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We literally need air bags to bounce Rovers off the surface of Mars when we send something up there now.....

BUT somehow in the 60's we had the technology to smoothly land a rudimentary vessel (at best) gentle as a feather..... AND have it smoothly take off again, have enough fuel to get back and program the capsule to land exactly on Earth where we wanted in to..


Just sayin'...
The moon has no atmosphere and has a gravitational pull less than 42% that of Mars. Plus, unlike the Mars Rovers, we had the luxury of carting more equipment to what was a celestial body next door.

Just sayin'...
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